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Why can't Houston Rockets sign a key free agent?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by abc2007, Feb 7, 2011.

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Do you agree with Bill Ingram?

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  1. Bo6

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    It must be why the Patriots are so bad all the time.
     
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  2. amaru

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    No.....we didn't sign a key free agent in the off season because we suck. No key player wants to waste his prime years playing on a team whose best player is so fragile that if you cough on him, he's out for half the season. :rolleyes:
     
  3. rockbox

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    When is the last time we lost someone to free agency when offering the same amount of money. Never!!!
     
  4. napalm06

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    Haha, when was that exactly?
     
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  5. jmcleod

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    playing devil's advocate, I suspect the point of the comment relates to Morey's insistance on forcing restricted free agents to establish their own market and then matching the offer sheet ie Landry, Scola and Lowry. Agents and players could be turned off by the fact that they actually have to do the work.
     
  6. studogg

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    reposted from the initial thread you posted this drivel in.....

    so where is the expert? i see two bumbling idiots that aren't looking at the whole picture.

    if you are a premier free agent, you sign in a given city for several reasons

    1. the ability to pay said fa max money per their tier
    2. the ability to play with another star/core group that can win
    3. the ability to gain additional revenues from marketing opportunities


    We haven't had cap space to compete. We don't currently have a superstar. with yao out, there are no significant addl revenue streams in the Houston market.

    notice that none of these have to do with morey. in fact, quite the contrary, i believe morey will factor into reasons that fa's will eventually sign here. they see that he will not kill the flexibility of the team to "over"sign a role player.

    cough... mo williams... cough.... hedo turkoglu... cough... michael redd...
     
  7. Rockets_4_life

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    THIS^

    We have a sucky ass roster(lottery bound). We are not a better situation for the key free-agents of 2012 (Williams, Paul or Howard) than their current teams..

    Now if we could draft a guy like Jared Sullinger, an immidiate rookie stud, we could possibly attract somebody in 2012...
     
  8. MambaJoe

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    Houston just never really have the cap space to sign a big time free agent. Also, I just dont think Houston is an attractive place for big time free agents to sign with us. Houston isnt as marketable like New York, La and we don't have a player that other wants to join forces with.

    Big stars sees Houston as a liability. We don't have a cornerstone to build from. We used to with Yao Ming but everyone knows Yao isn't reliable. So with Morey, Houston has a better chance in landing a good player through trades and draft picks. Thats the only way for Houston to land someone special. So you can cross out the big free agent signing off the chart until we can acqure a cornerstone.

    One thing I do agree with this is that Morey is indeed all about business. I mean its good for the organization finance but its also bad because a lot of players would feel Houston as a unreliable organization to play for.

    One thing for sure, I do trust Morey to pull off a big trade for a young promising player sooner than expected. But right now, Morey's biggest mistake is not having a back up plan in case Yao went down. I think Morey and Les should have known that Yao will go down sooner or later given his past injuries. The Rockets are where they're at now because of how much they relied on Yao over the past couple of years. He is marketable and brings much profit for this team but winning should be on top of the list and by keeping Yao, the Rockets are not going to win anything. I really wished they would have dealt Yao years ago when his body were showing signs of breaking down for young star player. Who knows, we may have a chance to nab a player like Westbrook or even Kevin Love because I know at the time, OKC would love to pair a healthy Yao with Durant. But it is what it is and its time to move forward.
     
  9. il italiano

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    there is some truth to this though, to what degree i dont really know. It has to be said that we treat our players like ****. any other team would of gave brooks an extension after being the most improved player. We didnt treat the Tmac situation very well and we even did Carl Landry and Ariza dirty. at the very least this couldn't be good PR for any big name free agent considering the rockets.
     
  10. Yetti

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    I have been saying it for about a year now!! :p
     
  11. CDrex

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    On some SMALL level it's true. BUT...the notion that not attracting a free agent is all the GM's fault is dumb. How many teams in the league have made franchise-altering free agent acquisitions in the last few years? Miami, New York, Chicago...that's literally it. Really, it has had nothing to do with the GM's work and everything to do with how sexy the city is.
     
  12. LosPollosHermanos

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    its not about agreeing with him. Its common sense, think of what you would do if you were a player.
     
  13. LosPollosHermanos

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    tmac situation was BAD towards the end, when he was promised minutes, but what bugged the HELL out of me was the landry situation.

    Bringing up his knee to throw other teams off. Carl Landry will always be one of my most favorite rockets of all time even though he was hear during a short a time he gave it his all every night, that alone should have made the organization show some leeway.
     
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  14. LosPollosHermanos

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    you're forgetting the reason we suck. Its a cycle.
     
  15. LosPollosHermanos

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    why are you talking about players not considered all stars? None of those players are worth the salary they would demand regardless of the market. T
     
  16. LosPollosHermanos

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    R2K , as much as I respect you it is impossible to deny repeated treatment of players when it comes to contract situations. A trend that is irrefutable, stemming from Hakeem, to Barkley who still can't get over it, to present day.

    I've always thought that even though morey is extremely shrude, him overdoing screws us over. Kind of like the salesman using big words or the lawyer blabbing on and on deflecting from the key question.

    Not only that , it seems as if they are always trying to run a KGB like pr campaign that often far from the truth.
     
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    Boy the truth hurts.

    Keep spitting that fire, wakawakka.
     
  18. studogg

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    you are not understanding the post. I'm pointing out instances of teams overpaying for role players and having it cripple their structure or their long-term ability to maintain their star. something morey has refused to do.
     
  19. BetterThanEver

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    It's not hard to figure out. Money and Rings.

    Houston hasn't had the capspace to sign a max free agent. They have been over the cap for several years, so they only have the MLE. This year, the Rockets are paying $74 mil and are paying the luxury tax, barring some miracle trade to the Kings and Cavaliers for a trade exception and a 2nd round draft pick.

    Money talks and the MLE will never attract a max free agent, unless you are premier destination like the Los Angeles or New York. Even Miami had to have capspace to take LeBron and Bosh.

    The 2nd thing that makes a location desirable is a chance for a championship. As long as the Rockets are building around Yao Ming, no free agent wants to play here. Why would Bosh, Boozer, or LeBron want to play with "Mr. 5 games a season", when they can play with Wade or Rose for 82 games a season and really compete for a ring? You are talking about a player that destroys his teams chance of winning a ring every season, because of a broken foot compared to proven winner like Wade.
     
  20. LosPollosHermanos

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    we wouldn't expect him to. you're offering extreme examples. if he did, he would be out of a job.

    Mo williams and michael redd don't deserve fat salaries. especially redd who has Yao syndrome.
     

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