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Why Bush won't join Obama at Ground Zero

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by adoo, May 5, 2011.

  1. Commodore

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    A tale of two speeches

     
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    Criticizing Obama for delivering a speech in first person. Great. I especially admire the skillful use of ellipses employed by Mr. Hanson. No agenda there, I'm sure.
     
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    Obama is clearly covering up the fact that he wasn't the one who truly made the decision. Classic psychology states that when you come out so "defensive" about how it was all about him....it usually isn't all about him. And that's consistent with what I'm hearing behind the scenes. Sounds like we got UBL despite Obama, not because of Obama.
     
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    Obama's speech is all about what he did and how he feels, how it affects him.

    Bush has none of that.
     
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    The events were not comparable. Saddam's capture was a part of an on-going "operation" that was the entire Iraq misadventure. There was nothing there for Bush to do. They may have briefed him that they were closing in on Saddam, but there was nothing there for him to "ok".

    The decision to move forward with the operation into Pakistan's territory to get Bin Laden had considerably more risk attached to it, and had greater ramifications to our national security. It warranted a real decision to be made from the commander-in-chief, and it is his responsibility to relay the role he played in such an important matter to the American people. If the operation ended up being a total disaster, then I would expect him to be forthright in clarifying his role in that as well.

    Moreover, its silly for people like Victor Davis Hanson to attack Obama for pointing out his role in making this decision, when all along they have been doing their hardest to convince the American public that he does not have the experience, guts, or leadership abilities to make such decisions. Surely I don't have to tell you what that makes them look like.
     
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    it was Obama who made it the CIA's TOP priority to catch OBL
     
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    I cant believe we're at the point where we have to compare pronoun usage in speeches as a method to justify why Bush was a better president than Obama.

    This is so silly.
     
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    Interesting information. What did this mean in actual manpower and operational changes?
     
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    who cares?
     
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    Seriously, wtf?

    Don't think I have ever read anything dumber.
     
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    What is so laughable is that your extremely in-the-minority, small-minded opinion will not matter one...single...bit in the annals of history. Obama will be forever known in every history book and retrospective account as the President under whose guidance the United States killed Osama Bin Laden. And I can just bet it eats, or tears, at the heart of those Republicans who hate him with a passion- they just can't stand that it was THAT MUSLIM, THAT SOCIALIST, THAT ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-MILITARY PRESIDENT WHO GOT BIN LADEN!!!! You know it's true- I've heard enough of the chatter from my Republican friends- they are steamed because (1) Bush didn't get enough credit, (2) we can't see the pictures- or maybe they're happy about that because it can fuel their conspiracy theories- but most important, (3) "Why couldn't it have been Bush?!?!?"

    Funny how Obama is criticized on the right for being a "weak leader," an "apologist for America" and then in the same breath, he's too "strong" - or, their preferred word "arrogant" of a leader. It's such a pathetic display of ignorance on both sides when those who sole aim is to discredit or de-legitimize a President or other public figure use the old Manipulation 101 strategy. So transparent to the rest of us who actually have a brain that hasn't been washed by donkey shampoo or elephant soap.

    Thanks for the chuckle. Tell me, when you speak of classic psychology, are you speaking of the cognitive, the behavioral, or the psychoanalytic? Or are you speaking of pop psychology? I would guess the latter because your anti-Obama rabble is akin to psychobabble.
     
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    So was the operation for finding Bin Laden.

    Like what? Bin Laden having robot ninja bodyguards?
     
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    Like the place being rigged with explosives. Like the Pakistani military being quicker and engaging our troops before we could leave. They were scrambling their jets as we were leaving.
     
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    your self loathing makes me smile
     
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    Using this tortured logic then we can't blame Bin Laden for 911 because, well, you know, he didn't really "plan" 911 or have any direct influence over those that carried out the attack.

    I mean if the President really had no hand in executing the plan to kill Bin Laden then by the same token, Bin Laden had no hand in the execution of 911. AMIRITE?
     
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    Obama is great with keeping his image up. He wouldn't do that.
     
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    truth!
     
  19. Commodore

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    like Nixon put a man on the Moon?
     
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    "In 1969, Nixon's first year in office, the United States sent three manned missions to the moon, becoming the only nation in the world to do so. On July 20, Nixon addressed Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, two of the astronauts, live over radio during their historic Apollo 11 moonwalk. Nixon also placed a telephone call to Armstrong on the moon, the longest distance phone call ever, and called it "the most historic phone call ever made from the White House."

    Yes, it's Wikipedia, but let's face it, this is, for better or worse, one of the main sources individuals are going to go to when they want a synopsis for a President's background.
     

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