the thing was shaq was clearly the most dominant player on that team, and he was dominant in all 3 championship runs and he was the clear #1 option. everything was clear on the pecking order b/t shaq and kobe. right now, we all know lebron is not only the better player, but the more dominant player. the reason people are saying it's wade's team is b/c he has played here for 7 years and he has won a ring here. he has history with the heat. he has been the face of that franchise. but you can see: the heat don't even sell out te past 2 years at home when wade was doing his thing. so it's not like the fans there think wade is some god or something. it'll be simple for lebron. continue to improve and continue to show why he's the best and most dominant player in the L. and people will see that if he keeps putting up historic numbers. and like i said, wade is 28. bosh will supplant him in 2-3 years. bron will be the #1 guy to complete the contract.
Point is LeBron left his team to go to a team where their best player is a top 3 player in this league. You could argue right now Wade is the best player in the NBA or 2nd best player in the NBA. Not only that but then you add in the fact they got a Top 3 PF in this league. Legacy and public perception wise this was the worst move he could have made in terms of being compared to some of the all-time greats. Now personally I don't care because if he wins rings at the end of the day he is a Champion and you have to give him props for winning Championships. I actually like that he basically threw away a legacy he could have had in Cleveland or New York to come to Miami and try to do something special with 2 of his good friends. But as far as his legacy as trying to become the greatest basketball player in NBA history many people feels like he just threw that away by making this move.
maybe but like people said you gotta see how it plays out.......AROD joined Jeter, it's jeter's team but when the all time baseball greats are mentioned arod will be above jeter..........plus i dont think arod loses any sleep at night thinking "man if i only i stayed and won a title in seattle or texas instead" i think how LeBron went about it was wrong and people are channeling their anger from that to where he ended up...........people keep brininging up MJ but they forget, when MJ retired the bulls were a 55 win team, probably on their way to the NBA finals if not for a phantom call vs knicks on a hubert davis jumper, that's the type of team MJ had around him, LeBron best teammate? a washed up antawn jamison? so it seems like LeBron wont be an immortal legend and may just have to settle for being a hall of famer......that being said i wont be surprised if he bolts should miami win a few titles, to go out and do his own thing...or maybe wade (4 years older roughly) tails off in a few year and LeBron becomes the man and leads them to more titles.........maybe he plays better than wade and he's the reason they win..... these lebron haters are so pissed half their arguments contradict each other, they said he's selfish, egotistical, self-centered, yet they he went to miami cause it was easier.......which means they want him to be more selfish, instead of winning somewhere and sharing the credit with 2 close equals, they want him to be more selfish about his own success and go somewhere he can hog most of the credit.
Kobe may bolt, but he won't join a team to be a 2nd fiddle. That's the main difference. He wanted to win the way MJ does. I don't blame LeBron at all, his legacy will be fine if he joins Knicks or Bulls, but once he rides a team with Wade and Bosh, he's looking to be Pippen, not MJ. And he won't be in the same league as Kobe.
I don't get the A-Rod/Jeter comparison. Baseball and Basketball are two different sports in terms of 2 superstars joining to play together. Also when A-Rod joined Jeter was not the best at his sport or even a top 3 baseball player. I understand they played the same position but this situation is completely different. Kind of hard for me to explain. And yes their have been some contradiction from his haters.
MJ didn't need a top 3 player to win it all, neither did Kobe, Gasol never made all NBA team before he joined Lakers. But Wade is a top 3 player, and Bosh a top 3 PF. Of course LeBron's legacy will be hurt, he needs much more help than MJ or Kobe to win, and that's assuming he's able to claim heat to be his team and he does win. It's his choice though.
I won't lie I don't like Lebron, but my dislike didn't start until I found out he was a Yankees, Bulls, and Cowboys fans. To me that just makes the guy a Frontrunner/Bandwagoner. It is easy to cheer or win with the best and that's what I feel like he is trying to do by going to the Heat. The guy refers to himself in the third person, calls himself King James, and has chosen 1 tattooed across his back. To me those are indications that he thinks of himself as the man. However, IMO the man shouldn't run to where all the talent is to win a ring. He could have went to Chicago and been on a really good team and still been the man. There is a difference between getting help and going to where two other superstars are. Nobody can win on their own but there are a lot of good players in the league that could win on a team with Wade and Bosh. Now I could even accept him willing to be a team guy and all that stuff and playing with his boys, but a team guy would've made that announcement on Wednesday with Wade and Bosh instead of making a big spectacle out of it on his own. To me the guy is a walking hypocrisy.
I think it's hilarious how the insecure Kobe fans are on suicide watch and are trying to discredit Lebron even before he's played a game for the Heat. I don't know who will be "the man" for those teams-- I suspect Wade may actually be the top scorer and Lebron more like Magic/Oscar, averaging a triple-double-- but I don't think any of the guys honestly cares. And you are right, Kobe probably would care, because it's very important for him to be "the man" in his quest to be like Mike. Lebron knows that when all is said and done, if he wins multiple titles with the Heat, he'll go down as a top player in NBA history because he's going to shatter all of the statistical records regardless. The only thing holding him back is titles, and if he can't win them with this squad, he dosen't deserve jackshyte.
LOL, since when Barkley and Bill Simmons became Kobe fans? And yes, Kobe cares, MJ cared, they want to win as the man. And Kobe hater cares, because when Kobe was the closer in Lakers for the first 3 titles, you are all about Kobe riding Shaq's coattail, there's no Magic/Oscar role there at all. The guy with FMVP takes it all. Come on, you are biased, fine, but you can't even be consistent.
Lebron never said he wanted to be traded after a loss in the playoffs. Kobe did. Like other say, that if Kobe was a unrestricted free agent those years he demanded for a trade, then he would left the lakers for other team. So kobe threw a lot of players under the bus in public, and Lebron never did it. The only superstar to win a championship, with non stars on the team was Hakeem in 94, and thats why Hakeem will always be better than Kobe and Lebron.
ya I understand what they are saying, I just completely disagree!! But what I have been trying to get through to all the LJ haters that have suddenly started popping up everywhere, is that when Kobe didn't have a good roster around him he was barely making or just missing the playoffs! Unlike lebron who, with a fairly pethetic roster around him, was still cotending for a title!! And I still beleave lebron will be the main guy in Miami, he just won't have to kill himself just to win a game!! Now he can get much more rest and dominate even more when he is in the game!!
Dude!!! Much props for being a homer!! I love it!! However, there is only one player who Kobe and lebron will never pass up and that's the one and only MJ!!! Gotta love it though! Lol
This is what I wanted to say, but you said it better. Kobe is no one's b****. He even wanted Shaq out. Greedy of him, yes. But he's definitely competitive.
please he wanted shaq out only AFTER they won a few rings..........and once shaq left what happened? he couldnt even get out of the first round......demanded a trade on the stephen a smith show, lakers got lucky pau gasol came just in time,
look at how many baseball players their are, it's harder to be top 3 baseball player than top 3 basketball player.......jeter was a top 3 shortstop, one of the most clutch players in baseball, he already had 4 rings Jeter =Wade AROD = LeBron people keep saying it's wade's team and lebron will have his legacy tarnished.........why? if LBJ averages 28,8,8 in the playoffs next year and wade averages 21-5-5...then LBJ will get more credit............ my point was just cause ARod went to a team that was completely stacked and loaded, it doesnt tarnish his legacy, and even though it's jeter's team, it doesn't mean he's jeter's side kick like people are thinking lbj will be to wade
because they are regarded as the elite players of the league? also kobe works his butt off to be the best. lebron isnt just seeking help, he is going to a team where it wont matter if he trains or improves in the off-season. maybe so that he can concentrate more on his brand. still, he is tmac-ing it by choosing to coast when he has the talent to be the GOAT. then again, i would be pretty pissed that i had to play under mike brown for so long also. and noah was right, cleveland is pretty crappy.
