Why are women not allowed into the main prayer hall in most mosques?

Good post!

Words of caution: what's in between brackets is not a part of the Quran. It is added, basically, by the Salafi sect of Islam.

Also, translations are heavily biased. For example, it doesn't say "nations" IMO. The Arabic word is "shu3ooban" which is the plural for "Sha3b" and a description of people, rather than a geographic area or a country etc. When we say "Al Sha3b Al Masri" i.e. "The Sha3b of Egypt", we are not referring to the NATION, we are referring to the Egyptian PEOPLE. In fact, the "International Sahih", the most accepted interpretation based on earliest scholars views, says "people" rather than "nations".

Now, look at it this way:

We MADE you into... i.e., past tense. Meaning, that's something that God did before and is done. We don't have to continue solidifying/propagating this (there is no order or even hint to do so).

and then

So that ye may know each other... i.e. going forward, you are commanded to "know" each other. Know is an interesting word. The Arabic word in the Quran is "Ta3aarafu" which comes from the Arabic root "3a-ra-fa". Now, ta3aarafu never ever meant "to know each other". In fact, it was made to mean that by the following "interpretation" from Al Jalalayn (one of the most renowned, trusted and "Reliable" sources of interpretation for Sunnis):

Well, that's strange isn't it? Why would a letter be omitted considering we believe the Quran is protected? What stops someone from omitting a word or a sentence?

IMO, it's tribalism that created the interpretation of that verse. Ta3aarafuu is written exactly how it's meant to be written. Shu3ooban is written exactly as it's meant to be written.

IMO, this verse is telling us that we made you different in the past, so that you can identify the GOOD in each other through comparing and contrasting, and eliminate the BAD. This way, at some point the ultimate goal is to reach a basic set of morals regarding how best to be good people i.e. seperating good from bad accurately.

I think that is shown through the previous verse (49:12):

The end of the verse itself (49:13):

and completed with the drop of the hammer to tribal arabs of the time (49:14):

I'll end with a paragraph from the Hadith (not Quran), probably the most agreed upon text of Hadith for all sects (though the time and date of it has been debated for 1500 years), just to add some more perspective:

Another version:

Sorry to blab, in reality, it helped me develop my own thoughts as well so thank you! :grin:

 

I kinda agree. I say we get rid of mosques. Ofcourse, I could get killed for saying that lol.

But bleh. No one HAS to go. I don't have to go. Women don't have to go. No one has to do anything. Everyone does what they want. So if a Muslim woman doesn't go to the mosque, then she chose the texts that made her believe that. If she finds it unfair or wrong, she needs to reconcile that somehow - change her sect, religion, understanding, whatever. For me the real stupidity is someone who somehow believes in something they think is wrong.

Btw, going to Mecca is obligatory once in the life of every Muslim who can go. So there's nothing particularly special about him going there which makes him explain it any better than anyone else. Not saying that he can or can't, just pointing out that there's zero added credibility with that description.

On a side note, I've never been as shocked as I was the first time I saw the Kaaba. Just the history, the setting, the people, the unity, everything. Seriously, the only way I could explain it is like when you plug a phone with an imminently dead battery into the charger (me being the phone). Yes I know lol silly explanation but you get the idea. Just the most incredible energy rush uncomparable to anything else I've ever done/felt. It could all be mental, but it really doesn't matter, it's truly unique in the world IMO.

 

Is there a word in Klingon for tribadism?

 

tribe
English to Klingon Dictionary

n. tuq

http://www.movies-dictionary.org/English-to-Klingon-Dictionary/tribe

 

wonders how many people would stop posting here in the D&D if Islam and Muslim wasn't discussed.

 

It's really hard to explain to non-Muslims because of the equality factor. In Islam, we believe everyone is equal under God, but in this world, men and women have different roles and responsibilities.

Here is a Hadith:

The main reason for the separation is to prevent mixing during prayer which may cause distractions and it was God's orders. Sometimes worldly logic, which is relatively new, just can't make 100% sense in religion which was established many years back. A main objective of religion is to do just what God ordered us to do and be the best followers we can be. Sometimes its just as simple as belief, what we all believe in.

Fact is, Muslims women don't really have these thoughts that the "proud woman" has in your example. They just follow God's regulations and believe it is the best for them. lol I'm not gonna say go find a Muslim woman and ask her (I've already suggested visiting a mosque which you did, unfortunately, no one was there for you to speak with), but they will tell you the same. They don't feel as it is competition between men and women, it's just we have different roles and responsibilities.

 

Bro, this is one thing I have to point out is false. They are not God's orders.

Don't mean to be annoying. I understand that it is just a small mistake, but the implications are enormous.

 

Waiting for Sir(who knighted him?)Jackie to start this thread.....

 

Women have smaller brains... It's science...

 

My mistake, it was not specifically God's orders. Thanks for pointing it out.