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Why are we playing with no plays called?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by anchel, Mar 5, 2021.

  1. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    This is a common complaint but Christian Wood was at least a neutron star if not a black hole. And the Rockets were better on offense as a result.

    People need to stop obsessing over ball movement and motion offenses as panacea, look at last year's warriors - if you can't learn that lesson this year you never will.
     
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  2. riko

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    They have the best offensive playmaker/scorer on the planet running the show. The same guy who Silas said move off the ball so Wall can run the show. It’s Comedy Central stuff
     
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    ya'll just want a bunch of a window dressing that results in the same thing, an oladipo brick & pj tucker not scoring.
     
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  4. SamFisher

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    The same guy that the same people whining about ball movement now whined about for not moving off the ball and having more ball movement
     
  5. riko

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    With that same guy( harden) you can get away with iso ball but with Wall you can’t because he is just not good at it.Anyway the stats even show there was more ball movement under harden and Westbrook last season then what there is this season under Mr coach Silas and his motion offense .
     
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    Calling plays might lead to wins.

    We don't want to win

    Ergo, no plays called
     
  7. ApacheWarrior

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    We are showcasing players for trade.....we are a car dealership showing cars only at night.

    Because the sunlight brings out all the flaws.
     
  8. Mr Woods

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    Lmao really? That’s your best argument?

    Bringing up a team that has Harden, KD, and Kyrie on it, and practically saying “Look! They don’t run sets! We don’t have to either!” is really something man.

    But yeah. Let’s continue letting Wall and Oladipo ISO and take 50 combined shots. It’s working great so far!
     
  9. vator

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    A team will typically transition from whatever they like to do in early offense into a motion offense of some sort. Some read and react stuff. This is what you typically see when the ball movement is really good and crisp and it’s just hopping around the court. This isn’t usually a set play. The lack of running a set play isn’t what is killing the ball movement because inherently motion offense is all about ball movement. What’s killing it is when a player like John Wall gets it and everything dies because he decides to hold onto it and create his own opportunities.

    Set plays aren’t always some major groundbreaking X and O stuff. Most of your offense isn’t coming from there so it’s just to get an efficient shot when things bog down. You want a specific guy to end up with the shot where he likes it and everybody knows where the ball is going. When the Nets need a bucket for example or want to get a guy a shot, they run some very simple stuff. A pick and roll or they have a guy come off a screen to get them an open look.

    This is a little oversimplified, but there are not an abundance of fancy set plays being called during regular season NBA games. Some plays you have to save for situations. You can run a play and get a layup off of it a couple of times and it looks unstoppable and amazing, but then the other team adjusts to it because they know what you’re trying to do and it doesn’t work anymore.
     
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  10. SamFisher

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    That the greatest offenses in league history don't give a **** about BBS clowns who know better and wanna see jimmy driftwood run the picket fence ?

    Not my ONLY argument but one with which I am happy to gird myself with as I stride about the battlefield of ideas.
     
  11. SamFisher

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    Lol, I don't know who told you guys Silas had a magic bag of motion offense tricks last year.

    He had Jakas Hardenic on his team
     
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  12. riko

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    He did. He said he wants more motion and off the ball movement in his introductory press conference.
     
  13. vator

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    Bottom line is nothing looks good when you don’t have the players to execute it. Doesn’t matter. Did the Warriors and Steve Kerr suddenly stop running or change the offense that had the NBA drooling a few years ago or did their talent change? Is Silas probably still trying to run some of the same things he ran last year when Dallas had the NBA’s best offense? He doesn’t have Luka anymore.
     
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    Fast and the Furious, Serbian Drift Tank
     
  15. Nook

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    I find all of this hilarious...

    All of the complaints about the Rockets #1 ranked offense still exist with the Rockets #28 new offense.

    This isn’t the 1950’s where “democracy ball” rules the landscape and “sticky ball” doesn’t exist and mid range jumpers rule the court.... Converse sneakers and angry coaches screaming at officials and punishing star players.

    Very few set plays are called in the NBA other than out of timeouts.... even the ever arrogant Stephen Silas figured out that size by itself means NOTHING. That penetration and 3’s matter... that switching defense is smart if you want to be a good offense.

    John Havlicek and Red Auerbach are dead and if they were alive, they would roll the ball out to mid court and tell the players to play.

    Guys like LeBron James, James Harden, Chris Paul and Steph Curry have a better idea of why to do than Stephen Silas or Steven Van Gundy
     
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    Imagine if they did this instead of securing the ball and immediately stopping, turning and finding Wall to give it to.
     
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  17. Nook

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    Yes, this same coach also snickered at switch defenses and not having size.... he also called out ball movement after Harden dropped 45/15 on Portland.

    Truth be told, Silas doesn’t seem to know his head from his ass.
     
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  18. riko

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    Actually it was 44 points 17 assists but who is counting.
     
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  19. SamFisher

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    Sure they're not running as much 5 out. Last year's Rockets were extreme due to having Russ and no big men. But go back and watch the Mavericks if you think Luka Doncic is running around like a headless chicken to get the ball.
     
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  20. HP3

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    The fundamental building block of our offense is spacing. If you don’t have any(like any we don’t have one elite pure shooter on our roster) shooting there is nowhere to go. You can’t have a real five out spaced offense if you don’t have shooting. Like I said guys, you are gonna have to give him a mulligan fur this year.
     
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