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Why are there hardly any good White American NBA players?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by bmd, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. Aleron

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    I'm saying you misunderstand how center of gravity works, it's not being short that does it, it's where it is relevant to the rest of your body, mass etc and white people have a naturally lower center of gravity than black people. Motion is about physics, it doesn't become voodoo magic by including humans, it's still physics.

    Race plays a part in every sport as there are certain physical differences and at a professional level, we're striving for inches of advantage so every slither of advantage you can gain has value. Of course even within the same sport, positionally, different aspects can be rewarded.

    With basketball though, or really any sport where you use your hands exclusively, it allows you to use your athleticism at near maximum (ie, you can run, jump etc at as close as top speed as possible), whereas a sport like soccer, you're always limited by that no matter how good you are with your feet, it's in essence the weakest link in your game, as your feet can never have the same level of coordination (for example, even within the goal keepers impossible to reach area, players far more often than not, don't get close), which is why for example, the best soccer player of the last 20 years, wasn't even remotely athletic in any way (Zidane), so skill can trump physical ability. Meanwhile we watch lebron's athleticism/physique and mediocre skill play **** on everyone.
     
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  2. Caesar

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    I think it's perfectly clear that you're a racist and hate all non blacks who has any mention of your race in any negative way.

    I already mentioned before how Sensitive Sally's always try and direct stereotypes as being used to highlight every single individual. I obviously know there are black men who don't speak that way or that are weak and or fat. Black men that have small penis's(statistically proven to have the largest penis's even if not by much on average). I feel it's obvious and don't need to put some disclaimer for people like you. Stereotypes exist for a reason. There's nothing racist about stereotypes and anyone who brings it up KNOWS it's not 100% represented in every single individual.

    Many black men speak differently than your average suburban white kid. What's racist about that? Did i ever say that means they are dumb bumbling idiots? No. You, the racist are the one who immediately has racist thoughts. In no way does it bring down the black race and if anything it shows that no matter where in the world and what culture, black people always come up with the most bad ass slang that everyone eventually copies.

    Black men are statistically bigger on average. Racist? What? Did i say because they are closely related to some animal like a horse to degrade the entire race? No. You, the racist are the one who came to that conclusion.

    Rap/hip hop DOESN'T have a negative influence? Especially on poorer people? Yeah because **** THE POLICE! Right? Did i say every single rap song ever promotes violence? No. You assumed that in your racist mind. To ignore that a ton of it has a big negative influence on people is ignorant.

    I'm on a freaking basketball forum. Basketball is dominated by black men. Most of which grew up in the hood which i have nothing in common with. I grew up idolizing black athletes. I still dream i was the DREAM. I still wish i could be like Mike. I got teary eyed watching Moses Malone highlights and overlooking his career stats when he passed away. Never once does the color of their skin ever cross my mind, but **** you for making me feel i have to say stuff like that. That's almost as lame as the guy who says "im not racist. I have black friends!"

    I see it a lot. Black people or hispanics or asians who call out racism but are the biggest racist's of all. I have a massively diverse group of friends from all over the world. I make fun or tease them about their cultural differences all the time but i'll be damned if im going to be called racist by some thin skinned sissy who probably hangs out with only his own race and talks all sorts of racist **** about other races and not in a playful manner either.

    But it's okay. Our society is about white guilt, black victims and **** anything else or any other race because it's not news worthy. Unless of course when it's putting the entire blame for the downfall of this once great nation on the Mexicans.

    Go ahead and click the ignore button and have yourself a wonderful life BUDDY.
     
  3. StupidMoniker

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    Someone specifically asked when was the last time an African American won a gymnastics gold. I provided that information.
     
  4. abaker28

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    Now I get you.
    And whilst not trying to harp on the point, with soccer and lower center of gravity, it's advantageous or because of that, smaller people seem to make up the larger numbers of players.
    I still disagree about race though, just look at the English Premier league and there are plenty of African or dark players. Far more than NBA has in terms of % of white players.
    Regarding NBA, I've always wondered why the Dutch (Holland) have (to my knowledge) very little to no basketball players. They are on average the tallest race/nationality so they seemingly have an advantage. From what I know they're just not interested in the sport.
     
  5. abaker28

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    That was me. But my point (even though I asked the question) was there haven't been that many. You just happened to do the research :)
     
  6. Easy

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    First, the fact that there are more variations of physical strength within the female population than the different between the average woman and the average man does not mean that there is no real difference in physical strength between men and women in general. The logic just does not follow.

    Second, I heard of a study some years ago that showed a correlation between skin pigment and explosiveness of certain muscle mass. I remember that it was quickly dismissed as racist. But I don't see theoretically why it cannot be true that some genes controls both the darkness of skin and some other physical abilities.
     
  7. malakas

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    There is a difference between swimming and basketball. Just because China has advanced program in swimming or gymnastics doesn't mean their procedure works in basketball. The results speak for themselves. Even their own coach Kazlauskas spoke out for this.
    Do you really think that in the biggest country of the world there is not ONE person that has the vision and hand eye coordination to become a good pointguard? Pointguard not wing not forward not center. Pointguard.
    And meanwhile in China their national sport tabletennis relies most of all in hand eye coordination.

    Oh hey there. I used to be a great Zizou fan but to say he's the best in the last 20 years? That's too much.
    I don't understand. I had to read my post again to make sure I didn't post anything about genders. :confused::confused: What male and female has to do with my post? I talked about tribes not genders? The gender difference in strength is easily explained by biology :confused:
    What does the Dinka tribe in africa has to do with women and men?
    I am not sure you read my post at all.
     
  8. Dairy Ashford

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    No, if you're putrid enough to vomit entire paragraphs of intolerant bile under the phony pretext of being in a basketball forum I'll continue to call you out as a bigot. You inaccurately assert that most black guys live in the "hood" and you make some incorrect assumptions about my social interactions to deflect an accurate appraisal of your bigotry. Whether or not you have black friends is irrelevant as you clearly don't respect or know them enough to abandon your idiotic stereotypes.
     
  9. Caesar

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    You disgust me.
     
  10. roxxfan

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    That's racist.
     
  11. Texanasiafan

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    Do you actually know the 76ers had 18 wins in the regular NBA season?
     
  12. Caesar

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    Hahaha and i almost said "you people"

    yikes!
     
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  14. Texanasiafan

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    Since you are so insist on the PG position, just take a second and think for a moment?

    Who is the best pg the NBA has for the last 10 years or what is the proto type of such pg?

    5 years ago, the answer mostly likely is Rose, now? Most likely is Westbrook.

    See the similarities? I am not talking about they are both black guys, I am talking about their physical abilities, that's the type of very gifted and very few can get to their level.

    Now don't even talk about Asian, let's take a look at the white players, Rubio?

    Or even the better one, Tony Parker? Yeah he is a decent player, but will anyone actually argue he has a real chance to get into HOF at all?

    You are taking a position that physical ability of different races which can make the most differences.
     
  15. JayGoogle

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    And?

    How about this one guy that won MVP and a Championship? That Curry guy? Irving, Chris Paul? Chris Paul was the default best PG for years and before him Steve Nash.

    Also...Tony Parker will be in the Basketball HOF. He's a 4x champion, 1x Finals MVP (These guys get in) and 6x All-star. So yeah, I think many would pencil him in as a HOF player actually.

    Basketball reference has his chances at 94% him in his prime was more than a decent player.
     
  16. Texanasiafan

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    To put a simple conclusion to this topic.

    IMO, black people does have advantage over white or Asian on many sports, especially the one which requires more punishments to your body.

    As for why soccer was not a very successful sport in this country and we do not have many great soccer players?

    This is actually has very less to do with the sport or race itself. It's more about the commercial market. If soccer is actually a very successful professional sport in this country, I truly believe the good players in NFL and NBA will be the same successful soccer player.
     
  17. Aleron

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    The graph he posted was iq related to where you're indigenous too, ie, white people are indigenous to europe, black people to africa and so forth.
     
  18. Easy

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    I am using gender as an analogous case because it is more obvious.

    Let's just use an abstract Set X and Set Y. The fact that the variations within Set X and Set Y are greater than the difference between avg(x) and avg(y) does not mean the difference between Set X and Set Y is meaningless.

    If the tallest person in ethnic group A is 7' and the shortest is 4'4; and if tallest person in ethnic group B is 6'11 and the shortest is 4'3; but the average height of group A is 5'3, and the average height of group B is 5'9, that is a clear difference between the two groups in terms of their general height.

    If there is an obvious difference in physical appearance (hair color, skin color, length of earlobes, whatever) between the two groups, why is it not reasonable to speculate that the height difference has something to do with the gene that also produces the difference in physical appearance? It may or may not be related. But why just dismiss it?
     
  19. malakas

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    Tony Parker will go to the HOF 100%. It's certain already.
    I think the best current PG in the league is Chris Paul not Westbrook. And for the last 5 years. So I can't see what you are talking about really.

    Moreover we are talking about a simple ballhandling pointguard that can read the offence and make plays for the chinese nt not a genious like Chris Paul. A simple adequate pointguard. They can't find one. Does this make sense?
    No. Does it illustrate their obvious incompetence in teaching how to develop such skills? Yes.
     
  20. malakas

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    The height phenotype is attributed to specific genes [along with influence from the environment ofc]. Those genes determine our height Those genes are in specific chromosomes. Hair color, skin color , etc are determined by other genes in other or the same chromosomes. That's the job of the genetists that decode our genetic code and it's a work in progress. But it's not up to debate if it's related or not and it's not a matter of philosophical discussion. It is pure science. All races of humans in the world share the same DNA and their height is determined by the same areas of the genome no matter if they come from Africa or from the Andes.
    Someone who is black and someone who is white may have the EXACT same gene that determines height even if other areas of the same chromosome is different.

    So for example maybe all the Dinka people (the tall tribe in Africa) have a Tall gene in chromosome 8. But this gene can be present in other population of the world that are not black or come from africa. The skin color will be different the height genotype will be the same.
     

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