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Why are teachers unions so far left?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Sep 22, 2022.

  1. DonnyMost

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    Education has a lot of liberal hallmarks. Requires openness, creativity, extraversion, etc. Add in the fact that unions are labor and not capital focused (another liberal stronghold) and there you have it.
     
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  3. DonnyMost

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    Some merit to those ideas. Public sector unions are, at best, problematic.

    3 armed guards is just reactionary pandering nonsense though.
     
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  4. JuanValdez

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    Definitely won't be voting for that dude.
     
  5. HTM

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    Completely unaffordable to pay someone retiring at 55... 50-75% of their salary the rest of the their life.
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    I'm down with everyone being able to retire at 55, regardless of what their job is.

    My problem with public sector unions is there is no way to have fair collective bargaining between a union and society at large.

    Union vs. private employer? Easy peasy. Strikes don't literally cripple society. Free market takes over.

    Union vs. the public? Not so much.
     
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    You maybe down, but can governments afford it?
     
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    Ideally the government wouldn't be involved (unless it was universal).
     
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    But they are, and the tax payer is on the hook.

    There's a big reason private corporations got rid of pensions a long time ago. It's not economically viable to pay someone 50-75% of their salary for 30 years to do nothing.
     
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    It could be, but it would take a massive readjustment in priorities for the provider.
     
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    That would be a terrible idea.

    Teacher pensions also are confusing.

    First they are becoming less and less common, but even when teachers do qualify for a pension, often times they do not get it until they reach 65, and about half the teachers in the USA that get a pension, do not get medicare or social security.

    Getting rid of the Department of Education would be a massive mistake.
     
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    Swastika comes full circle.
     
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    Then pay the teachers more yearly and let them get 401k and social security.
     
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    Yep. He doesn't really have much of a following. But he's entitled to say what he wants, no matter how silly it is.
     
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    It's funny how conservatives push free market answers to everything ailing the public sphere, until it comes to pay, lol.
     
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    that Indian dude with the Jimmy Neutron sized head has been going around saying the dumbest sh*t for a few weeks now to try and get attention for his presidential bid

    what a clown
     
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    I am not 100 % free market.

    I would support higher salaries for teachers (but prohibiting them from using teaching time for political activism) and ESPECIALLY for nurses and caretakers.

    At least in most countries, nurses and people who take care of old people are criminally underpaid. I regard that as a market failure that needs to be addressed.
     
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