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Why are Rockets fans so down on Juwan Howard?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cody, Aug 24, 2004.

  1. DavidS

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    Hey, tinman...I thought you were going to show us an article that didn't tie JH's $105 MIL contract to that infamous word: overrated!

    Yes, we know...it's old news.

    But a new contract, and less expectations isn't what I call overrated. Not anymore. At least you are willing to give him a half year to prove his $34 MIL contract to you!

    Carl Herrera II ? Heh...I hope. :cool:
     
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  2. tinman

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    I'm glad to see Vin Baker is dethroning Juwan as most overrated player. however, Vin was a good player before he met the Gin and Juice. When Boston signed Vin Baker, I said to myself 'what idiots' I was correct. When the Rockets got Juwan I had a bad feeling in my stomach. I'm happy we have Mo Taylor tho just in case.
     
  3. DavidS

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    Yes. I'm glad that we have the JH/MoT combo. Besides, I've always wanted him (and Mobley) coming off the bench. They give us that "spark" and offense we need; depth.

    Vin Baker "choked" after everyone in Seattle pointed out his bad FT%. Too much to ask that he improve FTs? I guess it was...Vin is really messed up too ever since; drinking and depression.

    Check out his FG% and FT% at Seattle. It's wacky; all over the place; up and down...

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/vin_baker/?nav=page
     
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  4. Relativist

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    I'm alright with Howard. But the combo of Howard and Taylor at PF is imbalanced. If we could do something like trade Taylor for a Kelvin Cato-type, even if overpaid, I'd feel much better about our 4-5 rotation.
     
  5. Swami

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    Howard should be servicable. I think I remember reading that the Rockets insisted that Howard was part of the deal so they must think he will fit in ok.

    He brings veteran experience and has been an iron man who has been relatively injury free (unlike Cato and Mo Taylor). This factor in and of itself should help JVG keep a consistent rotation. While he isn't a shot blocker, the other thing I like about Howard is he will foul you hard if you drive the lane. He seems a little more old school in this regard.
     
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    Yeah but I wonder if they had a choice between keeping Cato or getting Howard, which they would go for.
     
  7. tinman

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    Im sure Orlando insisted on trading Juwan.
    You just dont trade a person after 1 year unless you/he doesnt want to be on the team. ... Scottie Pippen
     
  8. Desert Scar

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    I don't think they are that imbalanced. Basically we should be able to run almost the identical sets with JH or MoT in there and keep one of them fresh at all times.

    Both are poor defenders versus quicker 4s, but their offensive game should keep most players working on both ends, a big plus over Cato as a 4.

    So I would like a back up defensive 5, but I feel pretty good about the 4 spot with JH/MoT and don't want to split that up. Thus to address the back-up 5, we should not trade MoT or JH to weaken our 4 spot, but add a FA or trade with the TE.
     
  9. pgabriel

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    If Mo Taylor started his whole career he might be averaging 17 and 7 by now. think about that.











    They're the same player.
     
  10. The Real Shady

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    Juwan Howard reminds me a little of Walt Williams when he came over to the Rockets. A player who puts up decent numbers but is really not that good of a player.

    I'm pulling for Howard now that he's in a Rocket uniform, but I've never cared much for his game.
     
  11. joolut

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    There is a reason that JH has started his whole career and that MoT would currently only start for 1 or 2 other teams in the West.
     
  12. tinman

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    Mo Taylor > Juwan Howard
     
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    The Wizard was a great, great player -- a time or two a month. Whatever kept him from always being great is the yang from MJ's ying.
     
  14. GladiatoRowdy

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    You do realize that the numbers show that your inequality is backwards.
     
  15. tinman

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    mo taylor sucking meter : 40
    juwan howard sucking meter: 100
    shareef abul rahim:150

    sucking meter measurement : complicated formula of how many games you win, your expectations, your salary, how many times you get traded, how many times your name shows up on the worst and overrated players list, and how many times you say 'im a good player on a bad team'
     
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    overrated and overpaid does not mean he is a bad player. Plus, Howard gets paid less than Mo.
     
  17. tinman

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    I'll be happy with Howard if can be as good as Chucky Brown.
     
  18. MemphisX

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    Yeah because the teams JH has played on have been some of the worst in the NBA.
     
  19. DavidS

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    Then why will he start over MoT? :)

    By the way, the Bullets were not the "worst." They were an up and coming team with two of the Fab-five (Webber and Howard). Their records were average (like the Rox recently). Howard's problem is just that he was just overpaid in a day that allowed such HUGE contracts. This is the thorn in his side.

    Anyways...

    If he plays like "Chucky Brown" most will be fine with him starting (and 32 MIL contract). He's more balanced than shot-happy MoT. And will offer more versatility than MoT (who hates to pass).

    MoT's offense is better used coming off the bench anyways.
     
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  20. Davidoff

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    HEHE, good to know it's a exact science...
     

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