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Why are Rockets fans so down on Juwan Howard?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cody, Aug 24, 2004.

  1. BONIERO1576

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    I think pretty much everyone is excited of what this team can do on offense but, inserting Juwan in the place of Cato could put us in the middle of the pack defensively. Since that was such a strength for us last season we'll have to wait to see if that is a change that we can survive.
     
  2. JayZ750

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    Are you talking about Howard?? Again, what exactly were you expecting that he didn't give you? His numbers were only ever so slightly down from career averages and the prior year (though he did shoot better from the field and the FT line last year than the year before). I don't really understand, at least from a fantasy perspective, what you're talking about (except for the fact that Michael Finley is probably a better player and you should have kept him anyway).
     
  3. Will

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    I watched Howard for years in Washington. He was resented by me and other fans because he failed to become the kind of dominant force Webber (or Garnett, the player drafted after Howard) became. But Webber was the headcase and was eventually traded away (another dumb lopsided Washington trade, but never mind). Point is, Howard is two things: smart and workmanlike. Those are two things Van Gundy likes a lot and responds well to. I expect Howard to fit in well here if he stays.

    Lots of guys make no sense in one situation but fit beautifully into another. Mostly 1st options who would be more comfortable as 2nd options, or 2nd options who should be 3rd, etc. Howard, with Yao and McGrady, could turn out to be in the right situation.

    Taylor, on the other hand, has progressively gone from a situation in which he made enormous sense (when we acquired him) to one in which he made less sense, and now to one in which he makes almost no sense. That's when you'd be doing the player a service to trade him.
     
  4. dback816

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    Blah, I like the Howard + Taylor duo at PF...well not really, but I do think Howard will be a small, a very small improvement over Cato overall.

    I do think however that our defense will SUFFER next season. People like to talk about this "team defense", but they dont realize that without great individual defenders/athletes, the concept of "team defense" is just pure garbage.

    I hope Howard will be more comfortable being the 3rd-4th option on the team, and hit that ugly, ugly, ugly jumper of his. MoTay I really dont know, he does seem redudant but nobody wants him right now anyway, so we gotta keep him and hope for the best. He is WILLING to put a body on people but just not very good at it, I think that's at least a good thing about him.
     
  5. xiki

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    True, but the player's contract renders that possibility (virtually) empty.
     
  6. joolut

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    KG drafted #5 in 1995
    JH drafted #5 in 1994
     
  7. joolut

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    Put me into the pro-Howard category. Look, fact is, nobody is, or should for that matter, expecting Howard to be Garnett or Duncan. There is no way in hell we are going to get that caliber of player on this team this year, whether we traded stevie or not. So how can anyone hold that against JH if he is considered the next best thing?

    Also, MoT's best year on a real team (00-01 Rockets) netted 13 and 5.5, those numbers barely match JH's WORST year in the NBA. So how can you can call them redundant? JH has always been a starter in this league, MoT has basically been a "6th man of the year" candidate. JH is definitely an upgrade. We should at least wait and see what he does for us before we start b#%ing about him.
     
  8. Hippieloser

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    So wait... who's going down on Howard again?
     
  9. xelloss12

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    Tinman :)
     
  10. erdega79

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    apparently he is 25th worst player in the league :D

     
  11. dumbholly

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    reece gaines is also on the list at #12
     
  12. Will

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    Damn, all these years I've been holding a myth against him. That was Rasheed Wallace the Bullets drafted ahead of Garnett.

    Did I mention that the Bullets, with a forward trio of Wallace, Howard, and Webber, chose to get rid of Wallace and Webber and keep Howard?

    OK, now I hate him again.
     
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    dosent matter he had a impact on our team.without him we couldn't win.
     
  14. Willis25

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    Yes I am talking about Howard (who I like for the Rox - btw) Finley was playing like garbage early last season, so I wanted to go for some consistency in rebs and pts (so I looked to 18 and 7 Howard). The only problem was the Magic were so poorly run that they could not get Howard and Gooden's roles straght during that losing streak. Howard was very inconsisent early in the year last year. In the 2nd half he was solid again (after Gooden moved to the bench) - but by then Finley was exploding - so the trade was lop-sided against me
     
  15. Willis25

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    that is a riduculous article... if they want to include Howard with those scrubs (and they even mention his contract as a factor)
    then they need to add KWAME BROWN or the list cannot be valid !

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  16. HillBoy

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    This is a FUNNY list! I was LMAO! Did you notice how many players for Dallas show up on that list? And, he still didn't mention Shawn Bradley who is by far the WORST PLAYER IN THE NBA! Few people know this but Shawn's been mentoring Evan while they both sit at the end of the Mavericks bench collecting Mark Cuban's money.

    On a more serious note, Howard doesn't belong on that list - maybe on the most overpaid NBA players of all time but not on a list of busts because he does have game. Gaines, on the other hand, does carry a slight aroma of bust.
     
  17. LongTimeFan

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    What $105 million? Who cares what he used to make, he gets paid less than Mo Taylor.

    Pro-Howard.
     
  18. Willis25

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    I am pro-Howard too... but I think the poster was speculating why this BBS's vocal minority keeps dogging Howard before he ever suits up for the ROx
     
  19. Desert Scar

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    That list is ridiculus, Lue is one of the better PG bargains at 1.6 mill per year.

    As for JH, I am glad to have him, but not carried away. He is paid less than MoT, but he is older and has a longer contract, in 2-3 years he might not look to be an assett.

    I will say this JH/MoT makes the best PF combination we have had in a while. If you look and efficiency and performance per minute (shooting, PPM, RPM)--both players have very similar production.

    So I am not down on JH, but those that think he will have a world of different player than when MoT is in there, or that Mot is no longer useful because we have JH--I will correct that. Truth is right now we need both JH/MoT.
     
  20. tinman

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    I'd replace Juwan Howard with someone who's good.
    Who plays good Defense and doesnt have a reputation for being overrated. I've posted too much on this subject. I'll just give you some links of what the experts think.

    http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1208/is_5_223/ai_53744675

    http://www.nba.com/fantasy_games/forum_index.html

    http://high5.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=252073


    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?id=1639300

    Yeah and look what happened to Orlando.

    HOWEVER I'd rather have this overrated player than Shareef 'dont like it' Abur Rahim. And I hope he can be the 'Carl Herrera' of the new Rockets.
    I'll give Juwan half a season to prove that he could be as good as Carl Herrera or Chucky Brown or Bullard for the Rockets. I'm doing this for Willis.

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