Why Are Minorities "Proud" of their Heritage and does that Pride Cause Problems?

You need basic resources and intelligence to immigrate here. If you're a poor person living in a rural village in India, the odds of you ever even knowing much about the US, let alone the procedures to get to the US are a lot lower than if you're educated, know something about the world, and have the money to travel here and start a basic life.

 

Many are refugees. They have nothing more than drive and they don't have a high opinion of the locals.

They are also family oriented. They are not highly educated. They can't read, write or speak English that well, but they know the value of education and hard work.

 

Those aren't the ones we should let in.

We should only let in the ones who have the techinical skills to create jobs.

 

What percentage of annual immigrants to the US do you believe are involuntary refugees?

 

What are involuntary refugees? Are they people who have been pressured by economic circumstances to come to the U.S.? Are they people identified as refugees by NGOs who are then resettled in the U.S.? Does the group of involuntary refugees include those who are applying for asylum affirmatively or defensively and who therefore are seeking to fall under the definition of a refugee?

 

Use any definition you want - use the US definition of refugees, or make it as expansive as possible if you'd like. What percentage of people that come here are refugees compared to traditional immigration?

 

How many people have fake marriages to get green cards?

 

You know who get food stamps and medicaid - the kids US citizen kids of illegal immigrants. If you believe that US citizens should not receive food stamps or medicaid just because their parents are citizens of Mexico and here illegally, then you are either A) cruelly callous to the well-being of other US citizens, or B) bigoted against Mexicans.

So what if people send remittances back to Mexico? Whether their kids are eligible for means tested benefits has nothing to do with how much money they have left over and everything to do with their yearly income. As far as whether they should not have the right to send remittances, people should be free to transfer their money to their family members after taxes.

The graphs tell us that on average, immigrant households and illegal immigrant households make less money than those of citizens. How patently obvious - it has always been true that low-skill immigrant diasporas take on jobs that are on average lower pay than citizens. It was the Irish, now it is Mexicans. So what's the issue? Do you take umbrage with all the other immigrant groups that have come to this country as well?

 

If you are defining refugees as solely those persons who come here under the U.S. definition of refugees, the number is very low percentage of our total. This is because people who come to the U.S. due to economic push factors in their home country would not fall under that definition. Each year the executive branch sets a quota for refugees. I think we are currently capped at somewhere close to 80k, but who knows if we will admit quite that number this year.

In total the U.S. accepts a bit over 1 million legal immigrants per year. I presume you are referring to those individuals as traditional immigrants. If you meant involuntary refugees in the general sense of those people who are forced to the U.S., I imagine you would include people who came to the U.S. due to economic push factors. If those individuals are included in your involuntary refugee classification, then its likely a large portion of those traditional immigrants could be classified as involuntary to varying degrees.

I also cannot figure out what ling ling is talking about or what position he is taking.

 

Basically, he brought out stats showing that immigrants outperform natives. I pointed out that's because immigrants are not a representative population because they are self-selected. He then pointed out that some of them are refugees and aren't necessarily self-selected. His point is valid if a large portion of the immigrant population falls into that category. But if it's only a small portion, then it doesn't really account for the stats he presented, and they remain biased due to a self-selecting population. Not sure if that makes sense or not.

 

"For Fiscal Year 2010 the President announced that up to 80,000 refugees could be admitted to the U.S. under the following regional allocations:"

Africa - 15,500

I'm saying... Their are less of these Africans in poverty than the locals.

I'm not comparing the educated that come to the US for skilled work.

 

That picture is photo shopped chief...

 

I think Mexicans work harder than most people...

 

LOL I see ya Trollin!

 

Well most immigrants probably come from countries that score higher on Math and English. Countries like Uzbekistan...

 

Refugees given 6 months minimum cash assistance and placed into robust job training and job placement programs once they arrive into the U.S. They have better luck in the job market than many citizens because they do not have felonies that make it hard to find and maintain a job. Those that had criminal pasts or drug addictions are culled out by the NGOs that make the refugee determination. Once they arrive, they are also immediately linked into service organizations that subsist off of government contracts such as the YMCA and Catholic Charities. These organizations provide case managers who get them the mental health, life coaching, and counseling services they need free of charge. And, because deportation is such as harsh penalty, especially to those who have a fear of returning to their home country, non-citizens such as refugees also have greater disincentives to commit even minor crimes. In sum, their situation and their history, makes them completely dissimilar to similarly educated minorities in the U.S.

 

So out of 1 million or so annual immigrants, a tiny fraction are refugees. That still leaves the vast majority of immigrants as a self-selected group - meaning that it's not surprising they would do better than the average person.

 

It's not 1M African immigrants. Btw the % of white immigrants in poverty are the same as white locals @ 9.6%.

 

I find it ironic that Tyler Perry is complaining about a movie like Django Unchained.