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Why are Liberals so Condescending?

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  1. Shovel Face

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    Why are liberals so condescending?

    By Gerard Alexander
    Sunday, February 7, 2010; B01

    Every political community includes some members who insist that their side has all the answers and that their adversaries are idiots. But American liberals, to a degree far surpassing conservatives, appear committed to the proposition that their views are correct, self-evident, and based on fact and reason, while conservative positions are not just wrong but illegitimate, ideological and unworthy of serious consideration. Indeed, all the appeals to bipartisanship notwithstanding, President Obama and other leading liberal voices have joined in a chorus of intellectual condescension.

    It's an odd time for liberals to feel smug. But even with Democratic fortunes on the wane, leading liberals insist that they have almost nothing to learn from conservatives. Many Democrats describe their troubles simply as a PR challenge, a combination of conservative misinformation -- as when Obama charges that critics of health-care reform are peddling fake fears of a "Bolshevik plot" -- and the country's failure to grasp great liberal accomplishments. "We were so busy just getting stuff done . . . that I think we lost some of that sense of speaking directly to the American people about what their core values are," the president told ABC's George Stephanopoulos in a recent interview. The benighted public is either uncomprehending or deliberately misinformed (by conservatives).

    This condescension is part of a long liberal tradition that for generations has impoverished American debates over the economy, social issues and the functions of government -- and threatens to do so again today, when dialogue would be more valuable than ever.

    Liberals have dismissed conservative thinking for decades, a tendency encapsulated by Lionel Trilling's 1950 remark that conservatives do not "express themselves in ideas but only in action or in irritable mental gestures which seek to resemble ideas." During the 1950s and '60s, liberals trivialized the nascent conservative movement. Prominent studies and journalistic accounts of right-wing politics at the time stressed paranoia, intolerance and insecurity, rendering conservative thought more a psychiatric disorder than a rival. In 1962, Richard Hofstadter referred to "the Manichaean style of thought, the apocalyptic tendencies, the love of mystification, the intolerance of compromise that are observable in the right-wing mind."

    This sense of liberal intellectual superiority dropped off during the economic woes of the 1970s and the Reagan boom of the 1980s. (Jimmy Carter's presidency, buffeted by economic and national security challenges, generated perhaps the clearest episode of liberal self-doubt.) But these days, liberal confidence and its companion disdain for conservative thinking are back with a vengeance, finding energetic expression in politicians' speeches, top-selling books, historical works and the blogosphere. This attitude comes in the form of four major narratives about who conservatives are and how they think and function.

    The first is the "vast right-wing conspiracy," a narrative made famous by Hillary Rodham Clinton but hardly limited to her. This vision maintains that conservatives win elections and policy debates not because they triumph in the open battle of ideas but because they deploy brilliant and sinister campaign tactics. A dense network of professional political strategists such as Karl Rove, think tanks such as the Heritage Foundation and industry groups allegedly manipulate information and mislead the public. Democratic strategist Rob Stein crafted a celebrated PowerPoint presentation during George W. Bush's presidency that traced conservative success to such organizational factors.

    This liberal vision emphasizes the dissemination of ideologically driven views from sympathetic media such as the Fox News Channel. For example, Chris Mooney's book "The Republican War on Science" argues that policy debates in the scientific arena are distorted by conservatives who disregard evidence and reflect the biases of industry-backed Republican politicians or of evangelicals aimlessly shielding the world from modernity. In this interpretation, conservative arguments are invariably false and deployed only cynically. Evidence of the costs of cap-and-trade carbon rationing is waved away as corporate propaganda; arguments against health-care reform are written off as hype orchestrated by insurance companies.

    This worldview was on display in the popular liberal reaction to the Supreme Court's recent ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission. Rather than engage in a discussion about the complexities of free speech in politics, liberals have largely argued that the decision will "open the floodgates for special interests" to influence American elections, as the president warned in his State of the Union address. In other words, it was all part of the conspiracy to support conservative candidates for their nefarious, self-serving ends.

    It follows that the thinkers, politicians and citizens who advance conservative ideas must be dupes, quacks or hired guns selling stories they know to be a sham. In this spirit, New York Times columnist Paul Krugman regularly dismisses conservative arguments not simply as incorrect, but as lies. Writing last summer, Krugman pondered the duplicity he found evident in 35 years' worth of Wall Street Journal editorial writers. "What do these people really believe? I mean, they're not stupid -- life would be a lot easier if they were. So they know they're not telling the truth. But they obviously believe that their dishonesty serves a higher truth. . . . The question is, what is that higher truth? What do these people really believe in?"

    In Krugman's condescending world, there is no need to take seriously the arguments of "these people" -- only to plumb the depths of their errors and ponder their hidden motivations.

    But, if conservative leaders are crass manipulators, then the rank-and-file Americans who support them must be manipulated at best, or stupid at worst. This is the second variety of liberal condescension, exemplified in Thomas Frank's best-selling 2004 book, "What's the Matter With Kansas?" Frank argued that working-class voters were so distracted by issues such as abortion that they were induced into voting against their own economic interests. Then-Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, later chairman of the Democratic National Committee, echoed that theme in his 2004 presidential run, when he said Republicans had succeeded in getting Southern whites to focus on "guns, God and gays" instead of economic redistribution.

    And speaking to a roomful of Democratic donors in 2008, then-presidential candidate Obama offered a similar (and infamous) analysis when he suggested that residents of Rust Belt towns "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations" about job losses. When his comments became public, Obama backed away from their tenor but insisted that "I said something that everybody knows is true."

    In this view, we should pay attention to conservative voters' underlying problems but disregard the policy demands they voice; these are illusory, devoid of reason or evidence. This form of liberal condescension implies that conservative masses are in the grip of false consciousness. When they express their views at town hall meetings or "tea party" gatherings, it might be politically prudent for liberals to hear them out, but there is no reason to actually listen.

    The third version of liberal condescension points to something more sinister. In his 2008 book, "Nixonland," progressive writer Rick Perlstein argued that Richard Nixon created an enduring Republican strategy of mobilizing the ethnic and other resentments of some Americans against others. Similarly, in their 1992 book, "Chain Reaction," Thomas Byrne Edsall and Mary D. Edsall argued that Nixon and Reagan talked up crime control, low taxes and welfare reform to cloak racial animus and help make it mainstream. It is now an article of faith among many liberals that Republicans win elections because they tap into white prejudice against blacks and immigrants.

    Race doubtless played a significant role in the shift of Deep South whites to the Republican Party during and after the 1960s. But the liberal narrative has gone essentially unchanged since then -- recall former president Carter's recent assertion that opposition to Obama reflects racism -- even though survey research has shown a dramatic decline in prejudiced attitudes among white Americans in the intervening decades. Moreover, the candidates and policy agendas of both parties demonstrate an unfortunate willingness to play on prejudices, whether based on race, regional stereotypes, class and income, or other factors.

    Finally, liberals condescend to the rest of us when they say conservatives are driven purely by emotion and anxiety -- including fear of change -- whereas liberals have the harder task of appealing to evidence and logic. Former vice president Al Gore made this case in his 2007 book, "The Assault on Reason," in which he expressed fear that American politics was under siege from a coalition of religious fundamentalists, foreign policy extremists and industry groups opposed to "any reasoning process that threatens their economic goals." This right-wing politics involves a gradual "abandonment of concern for reason or evidence" and relies on manipulative propaganda to maintain public support, he wrote.

    Prominent liberal academics also propagate these beliefs. George Lakoff, a linguist at the University of California at Berkeley and a consultant to Democratic candidates, says flatly that liberals, unlike conservatives, "still believe in Enlightenment reason," while Drew Westen, an Emory University psychologist and Democratic consultant, argues that the GOP has done a better job of mastering the emotional side of campaigns because Democrats, alas, are just too intellectual. "They like to read and think," Westen wrote. "They thrive on policy debates, arguments, statistics, and getting the facts right."

    Markos Moulitsas, publisher of the influential progressive Web site Daily Kos, commissioned a poll, which he released this month, designed to show how many rank-and-file Republicans hold odd or conspiratorial beliefs -- including 23 percent who purportedly believe that their states should secede from the Union. Moulitsas concluded that Republicans are "divorced from reality" and that the results show why "it is impossible for elected Republicans to work with Democrats to improve our country." His condescension is superlative: Of the respondents who favored secession, he wonders, "Can we cram them all into the Texas Panhandle, create the state of Dumb-[expletive]-istan, and build a wall around them to keep them from coming into America illegally?"

    I doubt it would take long to design a survey questionnaire that revealed strange, ill-informed and paranoid beliefs among average Democrats. Or does Moulitsas think Jay Leno talked only to conservatives for his "Jaywalking" interviews?

    These four liberal narratives not only justify the dismissal of conservative thinking as biased or irrelevant -- they insist on it. By no means do all liberals adhere to them, but they are mainstream in left-of-center thinking. Indeed, when the president met with House Republicans in Baltimore recently, he assured them that he considers their ideas, but he then rejected their motives in virtually the same breath.

    "There may be other ideas that you guys have," Obama said. "I am happy to look at them, and I'm happy to embrace them. . . . But the question I think we're going to have to ask ourselves is, as we move forward, are we going to be examining each of these issues based on what's good for the country, what the evidence tells us, or are we going to be trying to position ourselves so that come November, we're able to say, 'The other party, it's their fault'?"

    Of course, plenty of conservatives are hardly above feeling superior. But the closest they come to portraying liberals as systematically mistaken in their worldview is when they try to identify ideological dogmatism in a narrow slice of the left (say, among Ivy League faculty members), in a particular moment (during the health-care debate, for instance) or in specific individuals (such as Obama or House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, whom some conservatives accuse of being stealth ideologues). A few conservative voices may say that all liberals are always wrong, but these tend to be relatively marginal figures or media gadflies such as Glenn Beck.

    In contrast, an extraordinary range of liberal writers, commentators and leaders -- from Jon Stewart's "Daily Show" to Obama's White House, with many stops in between -- have developed or articulated narratives that apply to virtually all conservatives at all times.

    To many liberals, this worldview may be appealing, but it severely limits our national conversation on critical policy issues. Perhaps most painfully, liberal condescension has distorted debates over American poverty for nearly two generations.

    Starting in the 1960s, the original neoconservative critics such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan expressed distress about the breakdown of inner-city families, only to be maligned as racist and ignored for decades -- until appalling statistics forced critics to recognize their views as relevant. Long-standing conservative concerns over the perils of long-term welfare dependency were similarly villainized as insincere and mean-spirited -- until public opinion insisted they be addressed by a Democratic president and a Republican Congress in the 1996 welfare reform law. But in the meantime, welfare policies that discouraged work, marriage and the development of skills remained in place, with devastating effects.

    Ignoring conservative cautions and insights is no less costly today. Some observers have decried an anti-intellectual strain in contemporary conservatism, detected in George W. Bush's aw-shucks style, Sarah Palin's college-hopping and occasional conservative campaigns against egghead intellectuals. But alongside that, the fact is that conservative-leaning think tank scholars, economists, jurists and legal theorists have never produced as much detailed analysis and commentary on American life and policy as they do today.

    Perhaps the most important conservative insight being depreciated is the durable warning from free-marketeers that government programs often fail to yield what their architects intend. Democrats have been busy expanding, enacting or proposing major state interventions in financial markets, energy and health care. Supporters of such efforts want to ensure that key decisions will be made in the public interest and be informed, for example, by sound science, the best new medical research or prudent standards of private-sector competition. But public-choice economists have long warned that when decisions are made in large, centralized government programs, political priorities almost always trump other goals.

    Even liberals should think twice about the prospect of decisions on innovative surgeries, light bulbs and carbon quotas being directed by legislators grandstanding for the cameras. Of course, thinking twice would be easier if more of them were listening to conservatives at all.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/04/AR2010020403698_pf.html
     
  2. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.

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    Spare us and post this on your facebook next time.
     
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    Shovel Face, please use a story like this as support for a viewpoint you want to express and discuss. Batman Jones did the same thing the other day. Otherwise, I have to agree with DonnyMost -- put it on your blog if you have one.
     
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    i thought to myself, wow, every word of this commentary drips with spite.

    then i saw it is by someone from the american enterprise institute, and it all made sense. liberals are evil, mean, and pompous! what else would a writer for a far-right think tank ramble about?
     
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    nevermind
     
  7. langal

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    Liberals only appear to be more smug on this board because there are more of them here.

    The smugness goes both ways.

    and who is that guy in the red shirt? is he a liberal?
     
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    Yeah, Liberals are pretty condescending. Like the way they talk about the "real America." Or like all those books liberal talking heads write that accuse conservatives of being "traitors" or "Godless."
     
  9. Rashmon

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    Well, duh...
     
  10. Shovel Face

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    I'm sure the replies here have cleared up this issue, but right now I'm busy installing my iphone Walmart Bingo app and haven't had time to read the posts. Thanks.
     
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    I'm sorry but if your answer to questions like "Is Obama a US Citizen" is not Yes then you're an idiot
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    He detailed all of the reasons in his piece. Conservatives tend to lie, make s*** up, and ignore evidence. They engage in race baiting, convince people to vote against their own interests, and have no qualms about making inflammatory, inaccurate statements over and over again until people start to believe them.
     
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    i've commented on this previously (it's the condescension, stupid), i can't say why, but it does seem to be an animating feature of modern american "liberalism" (which in practice is anything but). there's certainly ample evidence on this board.
     
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    It isn't really "condescending" to call the other side out when it lies, correct their inaccurate claims, or to use facts and evidence rather than naked claims and unsupported anecdotal evidence.

    It is called telling the truth.
     
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    Hardcore liberals do come off as condescending just as a liberal would think a hardcore conservative comes off as ignorant. There is validity to both.
     
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    The pont from this article continues to drive home, it seems:

    People are misconstruing numbers and facts for condescension. It's sad.
     
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    That is because the hardcore conservatives have been conditioned to believe that when someone brings actual evidence to a debate, it is condescending, but when all they have is platitudes and slogans, they are "real" Americans.
     
  18. Major Malcontent

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    I'll bite, I'm a liberal, but more than half of my friends are conservative (I live in Texas and consider it par for the course). I am sometimes ashamed that I haven't made it a priority to know a great deal about all the issues of the day, but I do know a little about a great many issues.

    I can say I don't really feel intellectually superior to Republicans who are Republicans because they feel like supply side economics work, I disagree but you can't get two economists to even agree on breakfast so it's at least debatable.

    Ditto real fiscal conservatives who are concerned about government spending. I strongly disagree with some of the places they want to cut social programs but I understand the desire to hold the line somewhere so our kids don't inherit a crushing debt burden and face the prospect of being economically dominated by China and others.

    However I do feel a little intellectually superior if not smug about.

    -People who are republicans because they have a vague notion that voting Republican is the "American" or "Godly" thing to do.

    -Neo-Cons in the Bush/Cheney mode who approve of spending like drunken democrats, letting Enron and friends set your economic policy and running roughshod over all of the Constitution but the second amendment.

    -Social conservatives who are inconsistent. (I.e. No abortion ever because killing is wrong, but the death penalty is o.k. and also we shouldn't have to do anything about the crippling poverty that makes women seek an abortion in many cases. Not to mention giving gays the right to marry is wrong because "my Bible tells me so"...but lets ignore what Jesus said about giving to the poor etc.)

    - Anyone who believes that "Obama is a socialist, Muslim, not an American citizen...etc...etc."

    - People who think that Democrats are trying to give all their money away to
    "welfare mothers with BMW's"

    -People who use "urban...inner-city, hip-hop culture." as code for the fact they are so racist they are just north of a KKK rally.

    For the record I also have contempt for democrats who are democrats for equally shallow and misinformed reasons.
     
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    Condescending has nothing to do with facts presented, it has to do with attitude. Just because you might back up what you say with facts doesn't mean all liberals do. I live in a very liberal town and there are plenty of nuts who have no clue what they are talking about. There are also plenty of conservatives that present facts to back themselves up, don't let Shovel face fool you.

    The entire notion of everyone in this thread saying that Republicans are so ignorant to facts could easily been seen as condescending. Repeating the line that conservatives don't listen is the very same anecdotal crap that most of you were just condemning.

    We can go at this all day but liberals are always going to see conservatives as ignorant and conservatives are always gonna see liberals as condescending.
     
  20. AntiSonic

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    Isn't it condescending to presume to know what's best for others?
     

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