1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Why are all the great cities of America liberal?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 1999
    Messages:
    15,937
    Likes Received:
    5,491
    Somewhere along the way?

    I'd say the back-to-back of Vietnam/Watergate probably played a pretty huge role in making Americans cynical about government.
     
  2. geeimsobored

    geeimsobored Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2005
    Messages:
    8,968
    Likes Received:
    3,389
    That was the nail in the coffin but it started way before that in rural areas. There were local issues in rural communities that really changed the tone of the conversation and had a bigger impact that watergate/vietnam.
     
  3. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,927
    Likes Received:
    132,942
    Who died and made you the authority on "great" cities. Half the towns listed are **** holes...

    It is all in the eye of the beholder.
     
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,183
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    Only in Texas does someone count a suburb 30 miles away from the city as part of the city. I grew up in Sugar Land (first colony), and let me tell ya buddy - it aint part of the city no matter what you say. No one moves to Sugarland to experience downtown Houston. You move there to get away from the city.

    :rolleyes:
     
  5. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,785
    Likes Received:
    41,212
    liltexxx just laughs at you from his River Oaks garage apartment.
     
  6. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,977
    Likes Received:
    2,360
    Well you must be ignorant on the topic, then. Please raise your claims with the Office of Management and Budget. I'm sure they'll respect your "solid opinion". TIA

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Houston
     
  7. mfastx

    mfastx Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2009
    Messages:
    10,305
    Likes Received:
    3,899
    I'd say that my views are in line with the general consensus of a majority of the population that has visited the cities in question.
     
  8. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    59,927
    Likes Received:
    132,942
    I would say that you are wrong...

    Further, visiting a city and living in the city are not the same thing...

    Whatever.... the point is that it is all subjective...
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    39,183
    Likes Received:
    20,334
    Yes, and by that definition New Amsterdam, Indiana is a great city as well! Guess what it's population is?

    1.

    Stop being a fool. What's in the books is not what we are talking about here.
     
  10. mfastx

    mfastx Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2009
    Messages:
    10,305
    Likes Received:
    3,899
    Agreed, it is subjective, but the vast majority of people I know all consider cities like New York, San Francisco, Seattle, New York, DC, Chicago, and a few others to be clearly on another level of cities like San Antonio, Dallas, Salt Lake City, Indianapolis, and cities similar to those. I'm sure you can tell the difference.

    Houston is in between those two tiers IMO.
     
  11. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,977
    Likes Received:
    2,360
    you're lost.

    we're talking about metro area as a whole. not saying that Baytown, TX is a world class city.

    Sometimes you just argue for the sake of arguing, without even stepping back to see if you're coherent or not. Try harder.
     
  12. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2002
    Messages:
    57,785
    Likes Received:
    41,212
    And before that, the deaths of Jack and Bobby Kennedy, and Dr. King, which led directly to the Vietnam War of LBJ, riots in urban America, and the election of Richard Nixon, played a huge role. What you mentioned amounted to the nail in the coffin of an America with an unbounded hope for the future.
     
  13. Shroopy2

    Shroopy2 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    16,238
    Likes Received:
    2,020
    So basically

    Liberals = Know How to Have Variety of Fun
    Conservatives = Boring Sticks in The Mud

    Liberals = Make All The Discoveries
    Conservatives = Can Locate Their Way in The Wilderness

    There's a LOT of stereotypes in that

    I don't think conservatism is totally "sticking with the past" what their grandma taught them. I think some people just think that certain things just plain WORK and don't need to "reinvent the wheel" all the time to prove anything. That there's a given "common sense" without need to break down every barrier.

    I say that as a liberal thinker. Lots of hero-ification that liberals got the angles and see the "light" that others dont.

    That said, if religion = conservative, and NON-religion = liberal, then I'd accept that stereotype and give liberalism the advantage.
     
  14. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    81,466
    Likes Received:
    121,839
    tried to get this reporting from the San Francisco Chronicle, but it's paywalled.

    free is good:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...-after-limitations-proved-ineffective-costly/

    San Francisco Ends Boycott of 30 States with Conservative Laws after Limitations Proved Ineffective, Costly
    By BRITTANY BERNSTEIN
    April 26, 2023 8:31 AM

    The San Francisco Board of Supervisors voted Tuesday to end a boycott of 30 states that passed conservatives laws after the rule proved costly and ineffective.

    The board voted 7-4 to repeal a 2016 law that prohibited city employees from traveling to or doing business with companies in states that passed conservative laws. The board of supervisors first enacted the law in an effort to punish states that had enacted what it viewed as restrictions on LGBT rights after the Supreme Court’s decision in Obergefell v. Hodges legalized same-sex marriage nationwide. Since 2015, the board had amended the law to include states that, in its view, had limited voting rights and abortion access.

    “It’s not achieving the goal we want to achieve,” said Supervisor Rafael Mandelman, the sponsor of the legislation to repeal the boycott. “It is making our government less efficient.”

    The rollback comes after a report by the city administrator’s office found that no states ever appeared to change their own laws in response to the city’s boycott. A budget and legislative analyst’s report also found the city had done business with the states on the boycott list. A one-year period between mid-2021 and mid-2022 saw waivers for contracts and purchase orders totaling $791 million. Meanwhile, the budget and legislative analyst also found that the city had spent nearly $475,000 in staffing expenses to carry out the boycott.

    The law “has created additional administrative burden for City staff and vendors and unintended consequences for San Francisco citizens, such as limiting enrichment and developmental opportunities,” according to the city administrator’s report. “Few, if any, other jurisdictions implement travel or contracting bans as expansive as the City’s.”

    The report also noted the boycott had other unwanted consequences, including adding more red tape for a program that paid for teens to visit historically black colleges and universities, as many HBCUs are located in banned states.

    Mayor London Breed previously said she would support changing or altogether repealing the boycott law. Breed’s office said in a statement that she “recognizes the well-intentioned effort behind” the boycott but also “acknowledges the many difficulties that affect contracting in the City.”

    The four supervisors who voted against repealing the boycott expressed concern that the city did not spend enough time weighing how the move would impact San Francisco’s small businesses.

    Supervisors Shamann Walton, who previously told National Review that the San Francisco advisory committee’s recommendation that the city pay out hefty reparations to the city’s longtime black residents does not go far enough toward making things right, warned there could be “many unintended consequences of the repeal” and said as states are doubling down on their conservative laws he does not want to make it seem that the city is “not still fighting against these discriminatory practices and laws.”




     
  15. IBTL

    IBTL Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,560
    Likes Received:
    15,767
    you crackhead.
     
  16. IBTL

    IBTL Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2010
    Messages:
    15,560
    Likes Received:
    15,767
    Houston #1 , hater.
     
  17. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,889
    Likes Received:
    103,229
    "There are only three great cities in America: New York, San Francisco and New Orleans...everywhere else is Cleveland." -- Tennessee Williams
     
    ROCKSS likes this.
  18. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    35,055
    Likes Received:
    15,229
    I frown on necro-bumping this thread. But, I do admit it's got a great thread title.
     
    FranchiseBlade likes this.
  19. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,472
    Likes Received:
    144,524
    look at how civil a topic like this was back in 2012

    and I see people saying Sugar Land is conservative…lol, how wrong they were
     

Share This Page