Chemistry isn't just all getting-along-and-playing-well-with-others. Chemistry involves having the right people doing the right tasks. Make too many people redundant, and you have chemistry issues. People *do* make too much of the Blazers. Sure, that team had a lot of talent... but so did teams like the '86 Celtics and the 80's Lakers teams. It's all about each person accepting a given role, and having the abilities to fulfill that position. Webber's position: go-to guy that the offense operates through. Do you really think Webber's willing to give that up just for the luxury of playing with Francis & co? We're not that much better than the other teams that want him. Webber isn't a guy who you can drive and dish to consistently - that's Mo T. Take on Webber, and we're going to revert to the DiD offense. While that's not always a bad form of ball, it wouldn't maximize the skills of the other Rockets. Francis and Mobley are not Peja and Turkoglu. They're multi-talented playmakers who are going to want to be the "center" at times. Keeping Taylor and resigning free agents for depth will allow this. Webber would not. ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
Webber is easily Top Five material. He is better than KG, if not as flashy, although I'd accept some argument that KG is AS GOOD. He is head and shoulders way above Dirk (this is silly), Vince Carter (he produces no where close on either end of the floor), or Ray Allen. He is neither as fragile nor as demanding as AI. Webber, last year was Top Ten in PPG, Rebounds (RPG), Minutes, Field Goals Made, Total Points, Defensive Rebounds, Double-Doubles, and Top 20 in Blocks. "After the team doesn't win a championship will Webber want to bolt somewhere else? -I think this is likely. Then we would have let our free agents go, and end up with no rings, and nothing to show."-FranchiseDream Why is this true? If it IS true, why isn't it true of any other Rocket? Mo Taylor didn't want to stay in Clipperland. Franchise didn't want to play for suckass Vancouver. "One thing about our championship teams is that they stuck together." -FranchiseDream Oh, right. Clyde and OT and the whole gang! In fact, the two teams were different, and had different players, and they hadn't been together for five years before that either. Survey Says: "BUZZZZ - WRONG." "Chemisty is there. Webber doesn't definitely mean the Chemistry will be broken, but it is a distinct possibility." -FranchiseDream Here we go again. Where is the warrant for this assertion? Why are the Rockets LESS likely to have chemistry with Webber. How about this scenario? Franchise and Mobley get tired of Taylor never pulling boards. They get tired of having to crash the boards because Taylor can't or won't. Instead of leading the break after GETTING an outlet pass, they set up the half court offense because they had to go get the board. They start to seeth at his inability to play like a POWER forward instead of a SMALL forward, and chemistry goes down the tubes. Mobley is going to have to start giving up the ball to whoever contributes more. That is INEVITABLE, whether its to Webber, Griffin, Taylor. "Also there is something to be said for teams growing and bonding together. The Laker core has been consistent and more or less the same for quite a while. The Bulls teams also had a consistent core." -FranchiseDream. UNTRUE AND UNTRUE. Bulls rosters changed dramatically. Go back and look at the rosters of the championship years. Was Ho Grant on the first and last team? NO. Was Kukoc on the first and last team? NO. Were Rodman, Bill Wennington, Bill Cartwright, Will Purdue, John Paxson, Steve Kerr, Cliff Livngston, and all the other worthless Bulls players on the first and last team? NO NO NO and NO. Who was, you might ask? How about Jordan and Pippen. SUPERSTARS. Chris Webber. SUPERSTAR. Mo Taylor. NOT superstar. We can go through the Lakers roster if you want at a later time. Finally, chemistry issues (ie why would you change a good team by acquiring a new player): Lakers had trades and turnover and still won, Bulls had lots of turnover and won, Rockets changed core of team in mid season and won, Pistons traded one of their top scorers (A Dantley) and won, Lakers added Worthy and won, Sixers added Moses Malone and won, Lakers before that added Magic and won, and on and on. You don't win championships with accumulating superstar talent Franchise is one. Mo Taylor is not, Cuttino is not, Griffin could be but its way to early to tell. Webber is. Equation is simple. Do the math. ------------------
Uh...that should be "You don't win championships without acquiring superstar talent." ------------------
Haven I don't care who your favorite posters are and calling someone's opinion crazy is not a personal attack. Don't you have any polls to recite today? The entire basketball playing world outside of Houston knows that Mo Taylor is a waste. Pig Miller was great for team chemistry too, would you like to offer him a real nice deal? At least Pig could get more than 5 rebounds a game if he played 30 minutes. ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey!
The entire basketball playing world outside of Houston knows that Mo Taylor is a waste. Two things: 1. Give me a link to some of these people who think that. If you can't, I suggest you not speak for everybody again. 2. Most negative thoughts on him leaguewide are based on some of the bad things he did as a Clipper. Remember, we were on national TV a grand total of one time last year. To be honest, we are the only ones who can give an objective opinion of the guy, because Mo isn't talked about much in the press, and he certainly isn't on TV a lot. So all they have to go by is stat-sheets and what he did as a Clipper. We are the ones who see him play in the games consistently, and as a result, our judgment is by far the most important. ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited June 29, 2001).]
Mo is such a puss. Who the hell uses their Achilles? Puss... ------------------ It's a ring toss game.
Well Bob Kemp for one. lol I hate that dude but he's 100% correct on Mo Taylor. Mo Taylor is not exactly someone that is discussed often nationally, because like I said he's a waste. Ask any fan around the country if they'd trade their current power forward straight up for Mo Taylor and I doubt you'll get many takers. ESPECIALLY with the contract he's going to be jacking the Rockets with. As for your injury facts, it is a fact that Mo Taylor in 4 seasons has never played in all 82 games. In fact he's averaged 64 games played per season. Do you think that's going to improve as he gets older? Nope. Not only is Mo soft, he's injury prone as well. ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey!
Well Bob Kemp for one. lol I hate that dude but he's 100% correct on Mo Taylor. Mo Taylor is not exactly someone that is discussed often nationally, because like I said he's a waste. Ask any fan around the country if they'd trade their current power forward straight up for Mo Taylor and I doubt you'll get many takers. ESPECIALLY with the contract he's going to be jacking the Rockets with. Oh ok, I see. Bob Kemp is a moron when he talks about Francis, but he's right when he talks about Mo? You can't have it both ways... either Mo sucks and Francis is a selfish jerk, or they both are false. And as far as other teams, how are they supposed to want Mo Taylor? Most fans are natural homers anyway, and we are too. Why would they want to trade for someone who has a horrible rep from the things he did as a Clipper and has poor stats? That's one thing I've learned this year... you can't fully appreciate Mo without seeing him play. I could care less what other teams think of Mo... I know he's a top 10 PF in this game (well a better way to put it is there aren't 10 PF's I'd rather have than Mo Taylor on the Rockets) and I don't care about other team's opinions. As for your injury facts, it is a fact that Mo Taylor in 4 seasons has never played in all 82 games. In fact he's averaged 64 games played per season. Do you think that's going to improve as he gets older? Nope. Not only is Mo soft, he's injury prone as well. And you know three of those years were with the Clippers, a team that had a nasty relationship with him throughout, and a team in which he had no motivation to go out and play for. What motivation should Mo have to go out and risk further injury when he'll be booed when he touches the ball by his own fans and has no chance at the playoffs? ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site
Team-by-Team that would want Mo Taylor for one reason or another Toronto-front court scoring Indiana-front court scoring Detroit-front court scoring Cleveland-a PF that deserves to be in the NBA Dallas-a PF that deserves to be in the NBA (I still think Dirk is a SF) Phoenix-Googs is done Houston-... Seattle (duh) As long as he doesn't pick up Vin Baker's eating habits That is a short list, and the reason I didn't mention the Warriors is because they will have Jamison at PF this season like they did for most of last year. ------------------
I'm looking at all the teams in the West particularly to see who would want Mo, because he's such a talent and all, and there are few if any takers would trade their power forward straight up for Mo and his soon to be $6million/year deal. About the only team that might deal for Mo would be Seattle because of that supid contract Vin Baker has. On this list of West Power Forwards Mo would probably rank anywhere from dead last to, on a charitable day, second or third from dead last. Dallas Mavericks - Nowitzki Denver Nuggets - McDyess Minnesota Timberwolves - KG San Antonio Spurs - Duncan Utah Jazz - Malone Vancouver Grizzlies - Shareef until trade completed Golden State Warriors - Jamison Los Angeles Clippers - Miles Los Angeles Lakers - Grant Phoenix Suns - Googs Portland Trail Blazers -Rasheed Sacramento Kings - Webber Seattle SuperSonics - Baker ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey!
Vancouver's starting power forward is Swift... Shareef is an SF. Miles is an SF too, Brand is at PF Rasheed is a maniac. The only PF's on that list that would be better on the Rockets are: Duncan, McDyess, Webber, Brand, Malone, Garnett, and Jamison. ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited June 29, 2001).]
Brand and Rasheed are better than Taylor, hands down. The guy might be crazy, but you guys ALWAYS defend Francis w/his T's but you always are the first to bash Wallace for his. ------------------
heres my take now im gonna say id like either situation and in my opinion webber is better than mo. However Bob Kemp is an ignoramus when it comes to houston sports teams, he has no clue what hes talking about and if u dont agree with him in his opinion you're a moron. That being said, i take his opinion on maurice taylor with a grain of salt Now onto your comment of mo being a total waste, did u watch games starting at the middle of the year, if i remember correctly he had a stretch of games where he averaged 20 pts, 6-8 rebounds a game, the numbers might be slightly off but you get the idea Also, he came up so big in that nj game at home when steve got injured in the 1st quarter, he was excellent in the 4th quarter off of the pick and roll Finally, Taylor has the drive to get better plus has found his niche here, my evidence is the way he played the 2nd half of the season, he went to the basket with authority, throwing down monster slams,hustling for rebounds, and draining jumpshots. He is only 24 yrs old remember, he will get remarkably better and as for his rebounding, the clippers werent ideal the team to enhance his basic fundamentals like rebounding position Overall, while i like webber more as a player and would love him to be here, i would be content resigning maurice taylor to a mid level deal if that allows us to add a good center through free agency. Furthermore in the future either way we go we will be a title contender and if the choice I believe he will be a very productive player in our system and will improve his rebounding although the addition of griffin will put less pressure on him to do so, which will help. Thus, in conclusion, while id love webber, mo taylor is not a waste and either way the rockets wil be a title contender for many years to come ------------------ How Sweet It Is! How Sweet It Is! Gene Peterson on the rockets winning the 1995 championship over the Orlando Magic
NYK, Steve's T's weren't near at Rasheed's level, and he was only once thrown out of a game, for the most ridiculous incident of the season. The refs watch for him based on draft night I believe, and any time he celebrates at all he gets T'd up. However, he never argues to the point that he is thrown out of games, and has control of himself. Rasheed has better talent than Mo, but the fact that you can never count on him to be in control of himself makes him someone I wouldn't want at all. ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site
Ooops is right. Where did I say Webber wasn't injury prone? OOOOOOPS! ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey!
I believe YOU are the one who called Bob Kemp a moron. (Hey isn't that a personal attack?) The truth is that Steve was second in the league in technicals. Prop up your conspiracy theories all you want but second in the league in technicals means he's acting like a punk. Your injury excuse is typical of what I call the Cato Complex. Mo now needs motivation to "go out and play"? Was he faking injuries so he wouldn't get booed by those mean fans in LA? This is the kind of player we want on our team? If being an NBA player and making millions of dollars isn't enough motivation then that speaks to Mo's selfishness and lack of heart. ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey! [This message has been edited by Timing (edited June 29, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Timing (edited June 29, 2001).]
If being an NBA player and making millions of dollars is motivation then that speaks to Mo's selfishness and lack of heart. Where did I say on anything about money having to do with motivation? He worked his butt off for the Clippers, and he had some nagging injuries. Why should he risk the rest of his career playing for a team that did not appreciate him and fans who booed him whenever he touched the ball? P.S. If you agree with what Kemp said about Francis, it's obvious you are not a Rockets fan, or don't see them play near enough to make a good observation. Those comments were extremely offbase and ridiculous. Also, I've never been the one talking about conspiracies... not saying you have, but I haven't either. ------------------ EDDIE, EDDIE, EDDIE!!! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! The Mo Taylor Fan Site
All of the players I listed played significant time at power forward. Rasheed is better than Mo, Miles is better than Mo, Shareef is better than Mo, even Googs and Vin Baker are better than Mo. Mo Taylor is among the bottom tier of power forwards in the Western Conference. I would say he's the bottom rung pretty much but bottom tier will work for now. ------------------ First the Sopranos and now Eddie Griffin... thank you New Jersey!
