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Whose land is it?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by right1, Nov 13, 2002.

  1. right1

    right1 Member

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    If King Solomon of Israel in 965 B.C. , son of King David, was a black man and had a son with Queen Sheba of Ethiopia, who was a black woman, how come white European descendants of the early Roman invasion of Jerusalem and Arab descendants of the Muslim conquerors of Jerusalem in the year 638 A.D. are both claiming that it's their land?

    Whose land is it? The Europeans or the Arabs? Both? Or neither?
     
  2. HayesStreet

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    Maybe we should give it to the black Jewish Ethiopians. That's two out of three...
     
  3. Cohen

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    There's more than that...but they don't get much respect.
     
  4. Cohen

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    If you're referring to Jews, you're mistaken. The Jews were forcibly removed from Israel by the Romans.
     
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    "As the king grew old, his hold on Israel weakened. Rebellions erupted on the border provinces. The Bible gives us the reasons for the king's downfall. He loved many strange women and he allowed them to continue their own forms of worship, defiling the Holy City with their foreign rituals and gods. And the aging Solomon not only tolerated this paganism but also indulged in it himself.

    Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. Many of the exotic women were in fact living treaties. He maintained alliances by taking wives from the family of every potentate willing to sign a treaty. He even kept Egypt out of Israel by marrying an Egyptian princess, a daughter of a pharaoh."


    http://www.intournet.co.il/holyland/vol4-1-1.html

    Who's Land?- http://www.torahbytes.org/sechel/who's_land.htm
     
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  6. right1

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    Yes, it's true.
     
  8. Cohen

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    I don't get your point. HayesStreet wasn't kidding, there are black Jews, if you weren't aware.
     
  9. Ubiquitin

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    Ha, the ethiopians should get Russia or the UN to help them get "their" land back. (I had no idea soloman was african, I thought he was just arab)
     
  10. TheHorns

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    The sooners would take it.
     
  11. BlastOff

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    6. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran.

    Now if that is fact, it would be most interesting to know why Palestinians even care about Jerusalem. I always thought that Riyah (sp?) and Mecca in Saudi Arabia were their most holy cities anyway.
     
  12. right1

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    Yes, the Falashas. My point?

    In 953 B.C. when he built the famous Temple, Solomon was black. In 1000 B.C. when his father King David founded the City of David, he was black. In 1250 B.C. when Moses led the Exodus out of Egypt, he was black. Solomon and Sheba had a son KING Menelik who was black. When Egypt invaded Jerusalem in 926 B.C. the Jews were still black. In 701 B.C., when hundreds of thousands of Jews abandoned Jerusalem and were exiled after the Assyrian seige conquered the city, they were still black.

    In 587 B.C. when Nebachadnezzar and the Babylonians destroyed Jerusalem and stole from Solomon's Temple, the Ark of the Covenant- The 10 Commandments received by Moses wasn't there, neither were the vast majority of Jews who were exiled 114 years earlier.

    In 538 B.C. the Persians overthrew the Babylonians. King Cyrus allows the exiled Jews to return.

    In 332 B.C. Alexander The Great captures Jerusalem.
    In 301 B.C. Jerusalem was ruled by the Ptolemies of Egypt

    201 B.C. Greek-Syrian Seleucids capture Jerusalem. Hellenistic Rule. And in 169 B.C. AntoChius Epiphanos forbids Judaism.

    After a Jewish revolt in 167 B.C. Somon Macabbee recovers Jerusalem in 141 B.C.

    134 B.C. The King of Syria seiges the city.

    And finally in 70-63 B.C., shortly before the coming of The Christ, Jerusalem is captured by the Roman Army. 37 B.C. Palestine is a vassal Kingdom of Rome and ruled by King Herod.

    JESUS CHRIST is crucified.

    66 A.D. Titus leads a revolt against the Romans.

    117-138 A.D. Jerusalem is a Roman colony. Hadrian expels the Jews and makes it the "neia capitolina"

    323 A.D. Emperor Constantine moves capital from Rome to Byzanz. Christianity becomes the official religion. Christian rule begins in Jerusalem.

    In 614 A.D. the Persians conquer Jerusalem.
    In 628 A.D. Rome reconquers the city under Emperor Heroclius.

    In 638 A.D. Omar conquers the city. Islam is the new faith and Jerusalem is under Muslim rule. The Jews are allowed to return.

    Muslims rule until 1072 A.D.

    Turks rule for twenty years.

    Christian Crusaders 1099-1187. Jerusalem is capital of the Latin Kingdom.

    Arabs 1187-1517. Jews permitted to remain and settle.

    1243 Mongols invade Jerusalem

    1517 Ottoman Empire
    1831 Egyptian rule

    You get the picture.
     
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  13. HayesStreet

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    Yeah, but what was your point?
     
  14. right1

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    My point?

    Whose land is it?
     
  15. Cohen

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    Originally posted by HayesStreet
    Yeah, but what was your point?

    I still don't know either. :confused:
     
  16. HayesStreet

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    I don't know.





    Third base.
     
  17. FlyWilliams

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    He's asking a question, not making point. The question is "What group should rightfully possess the land in and around Jersualem. Jews, Muslims, European descendants of the Roman conquerors, Ottomans, Turks, etc?" I don't know why the subject of black Jews flared up.

    The question can be answered one way. It "belongs" to the people that conquer it and occupy it. There is no "rightful" owner of any land and never has been.

    It doesn't really matter who the ancestral occupants of the territories are, because one could argue that an extinguished tribe of Bedouins occupied the land before the city was established. It's not a very strong case if they don't exist, or can't defend it anyway.

    I liked the condensed history, though.
     
  18. Cohen

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    Maybe because he mentioned it 6 times in his last post.
     
  19. DallasThomas

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    This land is your land, this land is my land. From Jerusalem, to the Gaza strip.

    This land was made for you and me.
     
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