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Whoever drafts Andrew Bogut is gonna be a lucky team!

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by DeAleck, Feb 1, 2005.

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  1. Fegwu

    Fegwu Member

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    Really?

    I have two questions also - is Danny Ainge a Mormon? How did Utah Utes manage to land Bogut and Neville?
     
    #21 Fegwu, Feb 1, 2005
  2. giddyup

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    Did they get that from the Celtics?:D
     
    #22 giddyup, Feb 1, 2005
  3. DeAleck

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    The guy's from Australia, not necessarily from Utah. He dominated the U17 world championship games a couple years ago, and last summer, he played very well again both Duncan and Yao in a couple of games.

    BTW Van Horn isn't necessarily a bad player. In fact, he is a very good player, just look at his stats. The problem is, people's expectation of this guy is way too high. He was drafted #2 and said to be the next Larry Bird. He's good, but not that good, and very few players are that good. Honestly speaking, I believe Yao Ming will be in a similar situation. He'll be very very good, but he won't fulfill his outrageous expectations, simply because they are outrageous.

    Not only Danny Ainge is a Mormon, he's one of the poster-childs of both BYU and the mormon Church. BYU just retired his jersey last year. His son, Austin Ainge is doing his Jason Williams impersonation (crazy plays, high TOs) this year at BYU.

    Utah is a well respected basketball school. They produced alot of NBA players and almost won a national championship. In this case, they got Bogut because of their coach Rick Majerus, who was very respected internationally, dispite being extremely ugly, fat and a big time jerk. Majerus left this past season, and Neville got here because Bogut came in and had good success. He wanted to follow his foot steps. Their new coach Ray Giacoletti seems to be a good man and a good coach. However, you can never tell, because if I have Bogut, I'd be a decent coach too.
     
    #23 DeAleck, Feb 1, 2005
  4. 12345

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    If he's this good, would you trade Yao for him?
     
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  5. DeAleck

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    I am sure this question would come up. The answer is: NO!

    From a business stand of point, I wouldn't trade Yao for Duncan + Garnett. Without Yao, the Rockets is just another team. With him, we are one of the most watched teams in the world. Yao's an icon and means too much to be traded.

    From a basketball stand of point, this question becomes much more intriguing. Yao's soft, Bogut isn't. Yao dosen't know how to block shots, Bogut does. Bogut's passing ability is better, as well as rebounding ability. He's younger and seems to have alot of potential. However, that being said, I still wouldn't do it. Why? A 7'6 guy who shoots fade aways with that kind of precision? What is that? An alien? I've never known a guy that big with that much skills. Yao's unique, and Bogut isn't. This alone makes me thinking, somehow, if I can find a way to exploit his uniqueness and coach him the right way, someday, he might become an unstoppable player. He might, just might. That possibility alone would give me the desire to keep this guy and take on the challenge to develop him.

    Bogut is like Europe back in the 19's century, very rich and developed. I can for sure get rich there. However, Yao is like America. You've never seen that much free and undeveloped land in the world. If I think I am good enough, I'll head out west and see what I can do in the unseen territory.

    But that's just me. I put alittle romance into everything I do. I might be wrong, but that's just me.
     
    #25 DeAleck, Feb 1, 2005
  6. hooroo

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    http://www.smh.com.au/news/Sport/Au...s/2005/02/02/1107228746575.html?oneclick=true

    Bogut's value has sky-rocketed in the past couple of months. There is no way for the Rox to land him now unless CD manages to pull off something extraordinary.
     
    #26 hooroo, Feb 1, 2005
  7. Fegwu

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    For folks that has not seen Andy play yet, his passing abilities and skills will blow your mind to freaking hell. And he played sick (migrane)

    It is has been about 24 hours after the game against BYU and my mind is still blown away. I easily do not get excited about young players but the Bogut kid is legit.

    Gosh the guy can pass the ball.........I think I need to stop now before I lose my mind :)


    PS. His is not schedule for national tv until his conference championships and the ncaa tourney. I want more now....
     
    #27 Fegwu, Feb 1, 2005
  8. 12345

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    The next Bill Walton?
     
    #28 12345, Feb 1, 2005
  9. krocket

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    I've seen him play; and, if I remember correctly he quicker than Walton, taller than Walton, can play in the paint (O & D); but can also go outside like Nowitsky. He can also pass very well. Make a great PF for the Rox. Alas, he is estimated to already go at #4 in at least one Mock NBA draft.
     
    #29 krocket, Feb 1, 2005
  10. Like A Breath

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    Let's not get carried away. He's not better than a top-10 center of all time.
     
    #30 Like A Breath, Feb 1, 2005
  11. DrNuegebauer

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    I think krocket was talking about luke Walton....

    Seriously, Boguts not going to be Nowitzski!! Different sort of player, more rugged, less finesse, stronger but not as deadly a perimiter threat.

    I would say that he'd at least be a quick Brad Miller!
     
    #31 DrNuegebauer, Feb 2, 2005
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    I hope the high expectations dont kill him. From what i've read about him he looks to be a pretty interesting player.
     
    #32 MrRolo, Feb 2, 2005
  13. Roxnostalgia

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    I live in SLC but grew up in H-town. There are a lot of Mormons who go to Utah but there is definately an overwhelming leftist atmosphere amongst both the student body and the faculty.

    Fantastic rivalry though. It's a really big deal here. We had front row seats and got some ESPN time for our Bogut sign. A big deal for a 5'6'' runt who capitalized on his only chance at ESPN!!
     
    #33 Roxnostalgia, Feb 2, 2005
  14. Fegwu

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    So that was you? :)

    PS. For balance, I noticed that Bogut did not play the pick n role well all night.....maybe the illness? He also could be fairly pushed away from his base by stronger bigs.

    That said you guys should endeavor to see him play. You will see the low post scoring, great rebounding, energy, fire, blocked shots but I bet the best you will enjoy about him is his passing.....have I said enough of that already? Sorry I just can't help myself :D
     
    #34 Fegwu, Feb 2, 2005
  15. krocket

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    I'm not carried away. Nowhere in my post did I say he as good a center a Bill Walton. I did say he was taller (Walton was 6'11") and I did say I thought he may be a little quicker, but nowhere did I say he was better. Take a deep breath and don't put words in my posts.
     
    #35 krocket, Feb 2, 2005
  16. krocket

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    Seriously, "but can also go outside like Nowitsky" does that statement sound remotely like "Boguts not going to be Nowitzski!!". Before you criticise be sure you read correctly. Bogut is 7'0" - 240+. He is very agile so he can play in the paint, but he has a 3-point shot also.

    I frankly don't know who he will end-up playing like, maybe just A. Bogut; but, it is estimated that if he comes out this year (20 year old sophomore at Utah) he be a top five pick.
     
    #36 krocket, Feb 2, 2005
  17. lalala902102001

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    Seriously, teams would be crazy to pass on Andrew Bogut. A good center prospect like him doesn't come along often.

    I'd take Bogut No. 1, over Taft, Paul, and all the Euro teenagers.
     
    #37 lalala902102001, Feb 2, 2005
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    Don't you think the other players would be putting up inflated numbers too if they were playing against the weak competition that Bogut is playing? How many good centers has he played against?

    I think everyone will be looking to see how he does in the tournament.
     
    #38 dirtyfithynasty, Feb 2, 2005
  19. lalala902102001

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    Andrew Bogut won the MVP of the World Junior Basketball Championship (U19) a couple of years ago, against the best competition of his age group from all over the world (OK maybe not the top competition since some of the best American players chose to get into a professional league called NBA early). I think that says a lot about the caliber of player that he is and will be. Yes, his performance in the turnament will be interesting. I've seen both Paul and Taft play this year and I'm not nearly as impressed with them as I do with Bogut.
     
    #39 lalala902102001, Feb 2, 2005
  20. jjfjj

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    Taft is way overrated. Whoever will spend a top 5 pick on him is out of their mind.
     
    #40 jjfjj, Feb 3, 2005
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