According to you. Also according to you, three receivers suddenly became NFL running backs that never amounted to anything. Imagine that.
That's just about the worst analogy you can make. You're assuming Ferguson is a much inferior player which no one can say for sure because they are two completely different positions. It's like passing on Jay Williams and going for Yao. Everyone was saying Jay was the best player in the draft hands down, hell, they were talking about him being the best PG to come out in years. But you have a player like Yao, who fills your biggest hole, and he's a player that doesn't come around that often in terms of size and skill. Give me a break reggie, this is one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read. Don't let all the Sport Center appearences fool you. I've yet to see a single mock draft that has Bush at #1, but according to you, he's one of the top 5 picks in history?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mu...y/2005/11/16/gallery.peterking/content.3.html "The Texans love him." - Peter King @ SI
Reggie Bush has never put up the type of numbers that any of the top NFL running backs did in college. That is reason for my concern. If he really is destined to be a great NFL running back, it would be really great if he could manage to keep Lendale White on the bench.
I think a lot of people here are missing the value of a franchise offensive lineman. A running back really only affects your running game, whereas an OL can improve your running and passing. It's like in the NBA when teams pass on flashy scorers to take centers first. A franchise center doesn't just score - he rebounds and blocks shots too. As far as Reggie Bush goes, our OL is so bad that someone would have to promise me that he's the next Barry Sanders before I'd take him. And even then, I probably wouldn't believe it.
This whole thread is funny. On one side you got the fat backers: - get an OL at any cost - all things being relatively equal, grab the OL On the other side you got guys like Ric: - go for whatever is the most "sure" thing, regardless of position Then guys like Baqui: - Lendale white does Bush in the pooper. And Reggie man-whores like r-todd: - *slurp* *slurp* Really it just comes down to how special you think Bush is. If you think Bush is an LT type of back, then yeah, it'd be foolish to pass him up, even for a good OLineman. Give me LT over Jonathen Ogden or Pace anyday. There are OL busts too, and even though Cassie hasn't been able to do it, it is possible to build a good OL w/o having to use a top 5 pick on an OL.
I think that's why I'm leaning towards taking what who is considered the best OL in the draft. Casserly has given me absolutely no confidence that he will improve the line in the later rounds or through free agency. The only picks that have really worked out for him have been the no-brainer ones (and the very first one is still up in the air, but Carr was a widely considered the right pick for us). I'll be honest, if they get rid of Casserly, my reluctance to take Bush with the first pick may diminish.
this is what i hate about the growth of the draft – it’s no longer about discussing a player’s merits; it’s all about poking holes in their games because doing so is far easier and allows armchair QBs to pretend they know more than they really do. the most common method of doing this involves connecting otherwise irrelevant information together to draw false or shaky conclusions, such as comparing bush to desmond howard or rocket ismail or ki-jana carter as if they have any relevance whatsoever. it’s lazy. i don’t know if bush is the best player in the draft. if he is, you take him. if not, you don’t. past drafts are irrelevant in evaluating his potential. then we disagree – I think they have a need at RB. and how can OL be the most pressing need at the expense of all others? it took them nearly half a season to record a sack or register a turnover on defense. you’re telling me the play of the OL (which is pretty decent in run blocking, actually) supersedes an almost unprecedented lack of playmakers on defense? that’s my problem with your line of thinking. yes, the OL is a problem… one of many. the sport isn’t relevant; it’s the thought process. if you pass on great players to get not-as-great players because you’ve concluded that filling your most pressing need is more important than supplying a talentless roster with talent… you end up doing things like, for instance, drafting sam bowie over michael jordan. or jordan gross over andre johnson… or a host of other similar moves that happened or could have happened. he doesn’t make $3-4 million a year. look, they’re not going to draft one player and then stop making additions to the roster. let’s not view the #1 pick in a vacuum. this rebuilding process may take 2-3 years; it certainly won’t happen overnight. that’s why the focus can’t be narrowed down. the team needs a nearly complete overhaul. as for the line being sorry, it’s been good enough to spring davis for back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons. by extension, if bush is as good as advertised, which would mean better than DD, wouldn’t his speed, vision and gamebreaking skills be a significant upgrade? five winning teams in 10 years; 3 playoff appearances; 2 division titles; 1 championship game appearance. let me ask you this: was sanders the reason they had five losing seasons? do you think lion fans would go back, redo the ’89 draft and take the best LT instead of sanders? do you think they would have won more if they had? i don’t know why sanders is even being discussed, but sanders wasn’t the reason the lions never made it the super bowl; but he was the reason they got closer than the oilers ever did, despite multiple first round picks on their OL. at last, an ally! well said.
I just can't see the Texans taking him, even if they could. Most of everyone is going to say, "Build a line, damn it", whether it's Brick or not.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mu...y/2005/11/16/gallery.peterking/content.3.html Interesting caption on Ferguson. The only player of the ten with a team mentioned as a direct possible destination.
Not a very good caption for Huff. I'm a Longhorn so my post could be biased, but Huff is a pretty solid pick for any team that needs a DB.
actually, someone posted, in this thread i believe, that of the playoff teams last year, only one had a LT taken in round 1 (the colts). off the top of my admitedly forgetful head, dillion, martin, bettis, james, LDT, green, dunn and alexander were all in the playoffs last year and all were round 1 picks.
then we disagree – I think they have a need at RB. and how can OL be the most pressing need at the expense of all others? it took them nearly half a season to record a sack or register a turnover on defense. you’re telling me the play of the OL (which is pretty decent in run blocking, actually) supersedes an almost unprecedented lack of playmakers on defense? that’s my problem with your line of thinking. yes, the OL is a problem… one of many. No we agree that the team needs improvement all over the place. We disagree in the fact that they need to draft a RB as opposed to an OL first. the sport isn’t relevant; it’s the thought process. if you pass on great players to get not-as-great players because you’ve concluded that filling your most pressing need is more important than supplying a talentless roster with talent… you end up doing things like, for instance, drafting sam bowie over michael jordan. or jordan gross over andre johnson… or a host of other similar moves that happened or could have happened. First of all the NBA Draft is different than the NFL Draft, you can slice any way you want about the thought process but its comparing apples and oranges, the Blazers picked Bowie because they needed a big man and they had already invested a season and money in another young SG, Clyde Drexler, they didn't need to take another SG. In the case of the Texans they are in need of everything, they already get production from the RB position. They need OL help which has plagued them for four seasons now, they have a chance to start over by making the most of the pick and trading down and still getting their guy. he doesn’t make $3-4 million a year. Follow the link and scroll down to the bottom: USA Today look, they’re not going to draft one player and then stop making additions to the roster. let’s not view the #1 pick in a vacuum. this rebuilding process may take 2-3 years; it certainly won’t happen overnight. that’s why the focus can’t be narrowed down. the team needs a nearly complete overhaul. Then start with the basics. When Casserly first drew the blueprints for the team, he wanted to build a good OL. You have a decent RB already, why not take an OL that could possibly anchor the left side of your line for 10+ years. as for the line being sorry, it’s been good enough to spring davis for back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons. by extension, if bush is as good as advertised, which would mean better than DD, wouldn’t his speed, vision and gamebreaking skills be a significant upgrade? This is what makes me laugh, why is everyone so quick to annoint Reggie Bush as the next great RB? He has a an OL that is made up of All-Americans and an All-American QB to throw to him, do you really think that he'd be so much better than Davis with the Texans line? Yes, his skillset would be a significant upgrade there is no denying that, what makes you think he'll take the NFL by storm? five winning teams in 10 years; 3 playoff appearances; 2 division titles; 1 championship game appearance. let me ask you this: was sanders the reason they had five losing seasons? do you think lion fans would go back, redo the ’89 draft and take the best LT instead of sanders? do you think they would have won more if they had? We're talking about Barry "Freaking" Sanders, the guy shattered NCAA records and had perhaps one of the greatest college careers ever. Reggie Bush couldn't touch Sanders, there simply is no comparison. i don’t know why sanders is even being discussed, but sanders wasn’t the reason the lions never made it the super bowl; but he was the reason they got closer than the oilers ever did, despite multiple first round picks on their OL. Sanders is being discussed because thats the kind of RB I want, hell the kind of RB would should all want. Bush doesn't have that kind of talent. Every year there is a can't miss prospect at a skill position, why is it so inconceivable in your mind that the Texans couldn't draft a RB next year or in the later rounds of this upcoming draft. It is so much easier to find a RB than it is a LT. Ultimately it comes down to what CK said, if you think that a certain prospect is special then pick him, I personally don't think Bush is that special player.
To me, I feel that the Texans are at the stage of drafting the best player instead of drafting by need for position. The sad thing is, we should be drafting for need by position at this so called "part" of the overall expansion gameplan. And if we are drafting the best player available, I would draft Reggie Bush. I know that our O-line is terrible and that we need to protect carr, but if we don't trade down and had to pick someone at #1, then I would pick Bush over D'Brickashaw. The reason why I would do this is because this draft is supposed to heavily rich in offensive lineman. So what I do is draft bush at 1, then draft a LT at 2, RT at 3 and so on and so forth. Like many have stated earlier, this team has holes in every position but #1 WR and #1 CB so why would you pass up a gamebreaker when drafting a player that has less of a skill wouldn't completely solve the problem? The question that I ask you guys is what makes you think that D'Brick is the real deal? Just like any other draft prospect, the NFL draft isn't an exact science. So for all the reasons that you stated that Bush might not be that great of a RB, I could say teh same reasons for Ferguson. Wasn't he even hurt this year for a little bit? I just think that with our franchise short on such talent, the best thing to do is to surround with as much talent as possible. There are no gamebreakers on our team but Andre on offense. DD is a servicable RB but in no way is he a franchise RB (Edge, Shaun Alexander, Priest, etc.) I mean for goodness sake, he was drafted in the 4th round as a 3rd down back! It was Casserly's fault to give him an extension as well as other bone-headed extensions (Walker, Wong, Coleman, etc...) It shocks me to hear that we have the 3rd highest payroll in the NFL! So in conclusion, *IF* we stay with the #1 overall pick, I would pick Reggie Bush because I feel like he is the best player availabe and a gamebreaker, then use all other picks afterwards towards O-Line and a good TE. That's what we should've done in previous drafts but stupid Casserly tried to think too much outside the box! There's just too much to rant about the idiocy of this organization (from management to coaching) that I could go on for days (and pages)...go texans...rah..rah...rah
I wouldn't keep the top pick if the Texans had it. I would trade down within the top five and pick Ferguson. The reason why I think Ferguson has what it takes to be a franchise LT is because every Virginia game I've watched (four last year and five this year) he has flat out dominated. He has great eye-hand coordination, nimble feet and doesn't quit until the whistle is blown.
this is what I said (and have always said): “by extension, if bush is as good as advertised, which would mean better than DD, wouldn’t his speed, vision and gamebreaking skills be a significant upgrade?” i’m not debating bush’s merits as a first overall pick; i’m not a scout. i got sucked into this because a lot of people have jumped into this thread, pretended they were scouts, and have drawn some pretty feeble conclusions about bush that are irrelevant, untrue and/or just plain silly, so i’ve tried to debunk those. i don’t mind debating his talent, but i’m not going to stand for someone dismissing bush because he thinks he’ll be the next eric metcalf. but never have i anointed bush the best player in this draft or made any declaration about his abilities on the next level. i advocate the texans taking him ONLY if, in their evaluations, they determine he’s the clear-cut, no doubt, heads and tails best player in this draft. you don’t pass on that guy (bush or whoever) to take a player that’s not as good because you're filling a need, which is why the bowie/jordan reference is, i’m sorry, relevant. it demonstrates perfectly what can happen when you narrow your focus to a (perceived) need (bowie/OL), assume you have spots filled elsewhere (clyde/DD) and then pass on talent (best player in ’06 draft/jordan). it comes back to bite you in the ass more often than not. btw, if the texans determine ferguson is the best LT prospect since jonathan ogden, then yes, let’s draft him. if bush and ferguson grade out equally as the definitive two best players in this draft, then yes, take ferguson. but you do not draft ferguson just because he’s the best player at the position you’ve deemed is your weakest. btw, you’re not a scout, either, so let’s not make any uninformed evaluations and pass them off as fact. what we know about bush is he’s exceptionally fast, quick to the hole, a terrific receiver and has incredible vision as demonstrated by his success as a returner. he certainly has the skills to be a very good back in the nfl. can he carry the load, though? don’t know. can he grasp an offense? don’t know. can he pick up a blitz? don’t know. will his skills translate to the nfl? don’t know. what i do know is sanders, metcalf, dunn, LDT and a host of other backs people keep dropping in this thread are irrelevant and will have no bearing on whether he makes the leap or not. so please don’t tell us bush doesn’t have barry sanders talent – you don’t know that; i don’t know that… it’s likely few at this point know that. as for waiting to get a back later, it, like trading down, ups the risk quotient. there’s no guarantee, beyond the first pick, that the guy you want is going to be there when you pick. so you don’t ever pass on great talent hoping someone comparable will be available later. it, like drafting for need over talent - is a receipe for disaster.
i heard this morning on the radio that Bush has only carried 20x in a game ONCE in his 3 year career at USC. does that scare anyone else off of him?
