No Rock you missed the point entirely....they don't CARE.... But they realize that they won't be able to build a team AROUND him and his contract is in the way. So, they move him...to start over. DD
I understood your point. I'm asking you....HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY DON'T CARE? The chances of them not caring about Iggy as their franchise player are MUCH MUCH lower then them actually valuing him. His contract is 12 million dollars. He is by no means overpaid or underpaid. His stats are pretty extraordinary. I'm just saying this GARM is basing this now spiraling out of control rumor on one beat writer and all that writer said is the Rockets want Iggy. Not that philly is actively trading him. They do care. If they were shopping Iggy for expiring contracts. Cleveland would have offered Shaq by now.
Ah, crap, I missed YOUR point....lol. I don't know at all....I am just speculating and giving a reason as to why they MIGHT trade him. And I don't think it is spiraling out of control, speculation on where Tmac goes is a lot more fun than having to explain to his legion of fans that he is just not any good right now. DD
I agree...but part of what is wrong with the GARM is that as rockets fans we get excited about things way way too fast. Stromile Swift Rudy Gay .... Ron Artest -- looking back I think getting this guy was a bad thing...I can't explain it but I have a feeling Scola was the only thing that really panned out.
I agree but i think you have to take out Jermaine Taylor and add Kyle Lowry. Once they counter with that I think all trade talks will end. Why Lowry because Philly needs a point guard. Jermaine Taylor isn't a point guard. Lowry or Brooks. If not then maybe a 3rd team will be involved
I'm with Caron. I think he fits what we need at this point more so than Andre. I don't have the numbers, but I think Caron is a better shooter and overall scorer than Andre. We need another wing who can do offensive damage. Trevor isn't getting it done and Chase is still developing.
Well...I agree, but Caron isn't at his peak anymore. He was explosive and Paul Pierce-like clutch when Washington was good, but Iggy is better defensively. Either way, Caron or Iggy takes Ariza's spot in the starting lineup. I think that will help Ariza get back into shape. I think ariza is fine with the arrival of either one of those guys.
Well considering what we got from him you cant say it was bad. Looking back then no one knew what was to come. Giving up Bobby Jackson and Greene for a proven player come on you can't say that wasn't a steal.
True...the guy just makes me mad with the whole...if you don't offer me 12...i'll take 6 from another team. Defies every law of the universal logic. AND IT HAD TO BE THE LAKERS...off topic back to iggy
He is their franchise player, that does not mean he is a franchise player if you understand that. Kevin Martin, Danny Granger, and Rodney Stuckey are currently their individual team's "franchise player," but none of them are true franchise players.
#1 - Iggy is probably the better choice of the two players, but the asking price will not only be T-Mac as it would most likely have to include Scola, Landry, Brooks, or multiple draft picks. I'd let them have Ariza, but that looks unlikely and the 6ers wouldn't bite that deal, most likely. #2 - Butler might could be head without breaking up the core starters and contributors. The Wizards aren't winning, and getting a player who is still a top draw (according to All-Star Voting) and not quite done, at least not at this point. Butler is a legitimate scorer who doesn't struggle doing it, unlike Ariza. He'd played well with this group. #3 - You don't necessarily have to build the team around one player, see the Pistons, this decade. You can win with five capable starters (several of whom are good players or even all-star quality) and good bench. Also, look at what our team did last year, we almost beat a 67 win team (with everyone healthy) without a superstar on our squad. Also, we still have Yao.
Dam thats a no brainer. Iggy of course, though I wouldnt mind having Butler either. Iggy's more explosive and still young.
I'll take Caron over Iggy, but Sixers has more to offer than Wizards to offer as salary fillers. Iggy is a fine 2nd option; Caron is a 2.5th option. Yao Ming is a 1.5th option; we still need a first option.
I would've taken Caron in the past but Iggy is about 4 years younger and just entering his prime. Iggy is the better athlete and impacts the game more at both ends of the court. Surprisingly, Iggy has even been a more efficient 3pt shooter than Butler. I was surprised to see that stat. So, I'd take the younger and more versatile Iggy over the aging Caron.
Having Iggy (25) grow and develop with Brooks/Landry/Lowry/Ariza/Budinger would be something to behold for the next 5 years.
Wow, I am surprised so many of you guys would prefer Iggy over Caron. Iggy is the better overall player because his D is better, but he really is just a more offensively polished Ariza. Caron, on the other hand, is the better play maker, which is something the Rockets desperately needs.
And don't forget, Butler is just as injury prone as Yao and Tracy, and plus unlike Iggy, Butler has two other stars and their team still stinks. He's also close to turning 30, so I would say no to Butler.
I think all of the people saying that there is no way the 76ers give up Igoudala without getting someone like Landry in return are underestimating just how desperate some teams are to cut payroll. Teams that aren't winning want/need to get rid of large contracts, even if those contracts belong to players they once thought would be part of their core. As a point of comparison, look back at the Spurs deal for Richard Jefferson. At the time, I couldn't believe they had gotten him for so little (I also thought the deal would pay off for the Spurs much faster than it has). Spurs get: Richard Jefferson Bucks get: Bruce Bowen + Kurt Thomas Jefferson was coming off a year where he averaged 20 points and shot 40% from 3. He's pretty comparable to both Igoudala and Butler as an athletic wing who is in the good, but not great realm. The players the Bucks accepted for him weren't expected to make any contributions at all. There weren't any San Antonio draft picks or young prospects to sweeten the deal. They were happy to let him walk simply to save money. Elton Brand's contract is much more of an albatross than Jefferson's was. Jefferson was still in his prime, just relatively overpaid on a mediocre team. Brand is coming off an injury, playing the worse basketball of his career, with three more highly paid years on his contract. With this kind of contract, it's pretty clear why Morey would have to be "knocked over" to take on that kind of contract. The Rockets would have to get something back to make it worth their while. Otherwise, they're better off just letting T-Mac walk. Even if Philly included Igoudala in the deal with Brand, that means the Rockets would be taking on an awful cap killing contract for the chance to add Igoudala (who Philly must considered relatively overpaid, given their current situation). You could make the argument that it would take Igoudala plus another young prospect in order for the Rockets to be willing to take on Brand's contract. Of Philly's young prospects, I wonder who the Rockets would be most interested in. Young - sounds like he's untouchable, but the best of the bunch Lou Williams - nice young talent, modest 4 year contract might appeal to Morey Speights - big, athletic, efficient Holiday - PG with size, but I don't see where this guy excels at anything. Keep in mind that Philly is 9-23. Only New Jersey is worse in the East. They're married to Brand for another 4 years, and this is probably their best chance to get rid of him. $23 million expiring contracts don't grow on trees. I think the Rockets are in the driver's seat with this deal.
