Do we really have to bring this up? Yes we won the trade. It was a steal for us. You can't foresee injuries. And Morey was 2 years too late to become the GM.
This trade was myriad with injuries. Steve Francis' rapid decline, whether it be planter factitious or a torn quadricep. Cuttino Mobley's enlarge heart. Kelvin Cato's shoulder issues, Tmac's back and knee. Juwan Howard's affinity to move like a gazelle, or Tyrone Lue and Reece Gaine's just pure turribleness. I know the last three aren't injuries,but work with me.
I'm not saying it wasn't the right move, all I am saying is TMac wasn't going to resign with the Magic, which is why he was able to force the trade. The Magic today have no correlation to this trade. They drafted Howard before TMac was even traded. They would have had the cap space regardless. They traded Francis for Ariza, who is now here. They traded Cat for cap space(Christie), and had to give up their 1st round pick(Rodney Stucky) to get rid of Cato. How could anyone figure the Magic won this deal base on today? They have absolutely nothing on their team from or relating to the trade. In fact they have one fewer asset(Rodney Stucky) then they could have.
The Magic had already secured the #1 pick when the deal was made. The trading of T-Mac had nothing to do with that pick. That being said, I think that the Rockets got better talent in the deal. Injuries to that talent and not very good supporting casts have prevented the Rockets from cashing in big. Give Orlando credit for parlaying the talent that they got in the deal into better talent and capspace to acquire R. Lewis. I still think that the Rockets won that trade, while Orlando won every other deal that they made using the talent that they acquired from the Rockets.
he still played very well and had a better later portion of his career than steve. did I mention he and sam took the CLIPPERS to the 2nd round? Imagine, all star Sam and Cat with Yao! That's 3 original Rockets.
Apparently there is no helping you people. The Magic got nothing from the trade. NOTHING in the long-term.
I don't see the point of asking this question 5 years after the trade. The Rockets won the trade because they brought in a guy who made the team an instant 50 game winner while moving out an overrated PG and a vastly overpaid Center. The Magic lost in the trade but were already so horrible they were able to land a lottery pick that turned into an All Star in Dwight Howard. For those that think the Rockets lost will you change your mind if the Rockets miss the playoffs and land the #1 pick in the draft this year? What if Dwight Howard blows his knee out tomorrow and never comes back again? Does that mean the Rockets won in that case too?
Dwight Howard was selected June 24, 2004 Tracy McGrady was traded June 29, 2004 5 days after the fact. This thread is an excellent example of why fans would make terrible GMs.
The Magic is contender, we are not. Bottom line, do you think the Magic would be contender now or even get to the second round if they did not trade?
Yup...Juicy summed it up well. I hadn't realized they had their #1 pick before the trade -- so even that stretch is inaccurate. And if Tracy's deal was an albatross for Houston -- it was one that Orlando did not have to avoid as they were never going to be given the opportunity to sign it even if they wanted to. So....they didn't gain anything good by the trade....and they didn't avoid anything bad. How exactly did they 'win' the trade?
YES. They would have had the cap space they got from trading Cat & Francis, because TMac had promised to opt out of his contract and leave the Magic following the 2004-2005 season. Like I stated earlier, in essence the deal cost them a first round pick which turned out to be Rodney Stucky. They only lost in the long run. The gained absolutely nothing from the deal.
Except I already knew that. I said the Magic "were already horrible" I distinctly remember McGrady being upset over the D. Howard selection because he thought it was a "rebuilding" move.
The Rockets obviously won the trade. The Magic aren't where they are right now because of Francis/Mobley/Cato.
Ya. In retrospect yes. But nobody really filled us in on his situation until I took a look at the interview when he was with the Knicks. It's not having Blair with his non-existent ACL. It's a much bigger risk. He could have died there on the court. I think even without any medical knowledge you can realize that. It is sometimes unlikely but possible. There was this video with the Knicks investigating on this matter.
the team wanted to trade mcgrady LONG before he was traded. it went on for 3 weeks to a month before he was traded to us. there were still speculation about whether they would choose okafor or dwight. the GM only chose dwight eventually when they knew there was zero chance of getting mcgrady back (both hated each other's guts by then). again, we won the trade OBVIOUSLY. but the magic have been fortunate. if we had morey as our GM when the tmac trade went down, we all know better things would have happened.
So their strategy is to move T-Mac at that time, and they did. Result is they are now elite. We were playoff team before the trade, and we still are, at most second round. Our strategy is to be elite for that trade, and we are not. I don't see how we win in that trade.
