Who will be the better Pro, Beasley or Rose?

Beasley without a doubt, rose will take a longer time

 

Beasley will be better sooner.

Rose is much more likely to be a franchise guy in a few years.

I'd take Rose in a heartbeat.

Evan

 

you're right, bust is a little strong. he will be decent and can score, his upside imo is antoine walker, who despite his negative reputation he had some pretty productive years. if you get 18-20 points and about 8 boards out of him I think you should be happy

 

WTF!!! You are completely wrong.

Paul Pierce has always been a 3 who can play the 2, very different. He is a real perimeter player. Beasley is a 3/4 which has never been a very important position, actually teams tend to trade guys like that for lesser players in a more vital position. Shawn Marion is a good example, at this point he is better than Shaq but they needed a center (a more vital position).

Basically PG's and post players are the most important, teams will still love a star wing who can do PG things like Tmac/Lebron. There just hasn't been very many players like him who lead a team to a championship, but there have been many PG's and post players to do it.

 

Pierce played a decent amount of PF at Kansas and was told he'd have to brush up on his ball-handling and decision making to be a wing in the NBA. It wasn't until he came into the league that he became a full-time swingman. I still maintain that Beasley has all the tools to be a super-scoring 3 with great rebounding and efficiency. It's not like he's Marcus Fizer or Corliss Williamson.

He is not a tweener, he is a matchup nightmare.

 

if D'Antoni picked Chicago over the Knicks,
Rose would be putting up insane numbers.

 

Rose most reminds me of Lebron James (phenom body/athleticism, excellent court vision, average shooting/scoring skills). What would Lebron be - 4 inches and about 40lbs? Probably a decent NBA player but certainly not a franchise guy.

Everybody says point guard this, point guard that. Last I checked none of Nash, Kidd, Paul or Deron, the best of the older and young, have lead their teams to rings. Chancey is the only one, but Detroit is unique because they beat you by having the best 5-8 guys, not an overwhelming player, and they are the only one to do this mold.

The things about Rose is whether he develops a great jumpshot. I am skeptical. Without it he will be a lesser Jason Kidd, who also has always been held back by his J, but at least had phenom defense and court vision in his prime. Lots of top point guards propspects--Kidd, Dre Miller, Harris, just never get good enough or rangy enough in their J to be trully devastaing, I could easily see Rose falling between say Kidd and Miller.

Paul and Deron for instance had already shown much more potent shooting and scoring abilities coming out of college.

Finally, I also don't buy the SF or SF/PF argument being a limitation. I'd take Bird, Lebron, Barkley or Dr. J (and make a case for Dirk and Baylor) over ANY PG ever drafted oustide of Magic Johnson. Great players transcend position.

 

I don't see how Rose and Lebron compare. Maybe my sarcasm meter is broken.

 

Nope, I was serious (see above).

 

May should be up there

 

I voted Beasley, but I think Mayo is going to be the next Gilbert Arenas type of player

 

I wouldn't consider jvg a good talent evaluator. How is battier for gay looking like now.

 

Desert Scar, how can you compare Kidd to Miller and Harris? Kidd, in his prime, would absolutely dominate games, and that's without shooting. His playmaking was just insane. Rose has a long long long way to go before he can be on the level Kidd was on. CP3 and Deron are great, but still not on par with a prime Kidd, IMO. I think that CP3 will be better in the end (than Kidd), though.

 

Rose is a mini Lebron. His athleticism is off the charts, he has speed, strength but court vision, so so shot. He can dominate guys his size. He's just 6 inches shorter.

 

It doesn't matter HOW you dominate games. Chris Paul completely dominated games this season and was spectacular. Sometimes he even did it without shooting. Chris Paul's playmaking is also insane. The next step for him is to bring his "A" game deep into the playoffs. You better believe (last season) he was on par with anything Kidd ever did. But defensively, he will never be what Kidd used to be.

Deron Williams is getting there. Keep in mind both guys just finished their 3rd year in the NBA.

 

Yeah but he said average scoring skills, I wouldnt say Lebron has average scoring skills.

 

I honestly think they'll both be mediocre. Respectable numbers with no real impact on the game at best

 

I didn't say Kidd and Miller were the same, like I said I expect Rose to fall in between them. Kidd and Miller both do suffer from an average J in accuracy or range and average scoring skills, and that always held them back.

If Kidd had Steve Nash's shooting touch or Isiah's scoring instincts to draw upon when needed Kidd would have been the #2 PG behind Magic. But Kidd didn't have those things, and it held him back from being an MVP type player. Still a great player, but not a player to carry a team deep in the playoffs.

Kidd got absolutely the most of himself without great jumpshot or put in the basket ability, but those things fundamentally limited him.

Also Paul already is a better scorer than Kidd ever was and Deron is a better shooter than Kidd ever was. They both can dish and run the team too. They may not eclipse Kidd over their careers, but have the potential too.

Unless Rose gets a lot better jumpshot or scoring instincts, he won't be in Paul, Deron or Kidd's league. I don't think he has Kidd's court vision, Paul's burst and scoring, nor Deron's consistent jumper. Maybe he can get the jumper (most likely of the 3 to acquire), or maybe he doesn't. Coming out of college he certainly is not as skill developed as these 3--I think he mainly overwhelmed opponents athletically, but understood he only had 1 year.