1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Who will be our starting PG/PF on opening day?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Oct 10, 2013.

?

Starting PG and PF?

Poll closed Oct 15, 2013.
  1. Lin and Motiejunas

    58 vote(s)
    24.3%
  2. Lin and Jones

    67 vote(s)
    28.0%
  3. Beverley and Motiejunas

    8 vote(s)
    3.3%
  4. Beverley and Jones

    60 vote(s)
    25.1%
  5. Lin and Howard (Asik as C)

    33 vote(s)
    13.8%
  6. Beverley and Howard (Asik as C)

    6 vote(s)
    2.5%
  7. Lin/Beverley and Parsons (small lineup)

    3 vote(s)
    1.3%
  8. other

    4 vote(s)
    1.7%
  1. iconoclastic

    iconoclastic Member

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Messages:
    6,100
    Likes Received:
    422
    Lin's game is more aesthetically pleasing, that's why he has more fans.
     
  2. durvasa

    durvasa Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    38,893
    Likes Received:
    16,449
    So far, over half the respondents think Jones is going to start, and about 27% think Motiejunas will start.
     
  3. Rox23

    Rox23 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,459
    Likes Received:
    64
    Bottom line question...

    Do you want a free flowing, motion offense of passing and body movement? and in which case JLin and DMo start, or do you want an offense which relies heavily on Harden ISO's and in which case Bev would be there to knock down open threes and TJones would be there to clean up on Harden's misses for putbacks? Neither is right or wrong, just two different approaches.
     
  4. LikeMike

    LikeMike Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    2,210
    Likes Received:
    1,383
    It´s not Harden ISOs - it`s pick and roll galore, inside out, motion offense and Harden ISO. Last season we had a great offense with Harden handling the ball - stupid isos were usually only at the end of quarters.
     
  5. Panda23

    Panda23 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2012
    Messages:
    8,566
    Likes Received:
    620
    If anyone is willing to sacrifice for the team, its Jeremy Lin of all people. Contrary to what people may think, it may solidify his place in the NBA for many years to come if he takes on more of a 6th man role.

    He's done nothing to lose his starting spot. He is the superior PG of the two, but that means he can help keep the 2nd unit firing alot better than Beverley can.
     
  6. Rox23

    Rox23 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,459
    Likes Received:
    64
    Right, sorry. It wasn't all ISO's however it was an offense heavily centered on Harden and where he, for the most part, ran the plays. Notice that in the first game whenever Harden and Bev played together that Bev ran the point. In the second game McHale changed his strategy.
     
  7. Rox23

    Rox23 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,459
    Likes Received:
    64
    It's not about Lin v. Beverley or DMo v. Jones. Lin and Bev are proving themselves to BOTH be exceptional point guards, albeit offering different styles. DMo and Jones BOTH are young and talented PFs, also with different styles.

    This thread seeks to compare apples to oranges.

    The real argument is...Harden v. Dwight.

    Dwight's the focus
    If Jlin and DMo start with their great passing and penetration ability, Dwight will naturally benefit from this. JLin would play the point and would seek out Dwight as his first option for alley-oops and thread-the-needle passes. DMo is an exceptional passer for a big man and can make split second decision: he too would focus on unique ways to pass the ball into Dwight.

    Harden's the focus
    If Bev and Jones start with their average passing ability but great individual play, the point would have to be run by Harden. Outside of the occasional Harden-Dwight PnR Dwight would benefit little from this lineup in terms of easy buckets. However Harden would score 30 points every game, Bev would hit a ton of wide open threes and TJones would rebound like crazy with putbacks to boot.

    It's not which players you want to start but rather which offensive style you want to employ and which star should be the focus of the offense. That's the question McHale has to answer.
     
    1 person likes this.
  8. durvasa

    durvasa Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2006
    Messages:
    38,893
    Likes Received:
    16,449
    Interesting take. Personally, I think we should stick with Lin as the starter. I actually think D-Mo works better playing alongside Dwight Howard, but McHale might see it differently.
     
    #68 durvasa, Oct 10, 2013
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2013
  9. Progs

    Progs Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2012
    Messages:
    4,140
    Likes Received:
    920
    Asik wont start he has been injured the preseason.
     
  10. apcgamb24

    apcgamb24 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2013
    Messages:
    2,515
    Likes Received:
    56
    What a great sample size of 1 preseason game to come to your conclusion
     
  11. allaroundplayer

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    928
    Likes Received:
    19
    Who will start at PF in Taiwan?
     
  12. roxxy

    roxxy Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2012
    Messages:
    5,120
    Likes Received:
    162
    I would like to see Lin & D-mo start. I like Lin's ability to run a half court offense his size advantage and I like D-mo's passing ability for a big man. With a Lin, harden, Parson Dmo Howard starting line up we have 4 players that can pass the ball really well.
     
  13. Rox23

    Rox23 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,459
    Likes Received:
    64
    What did TJones do this past game that Asik couldn't do in his sleep?

    Did TJones attempt any three pointers? No
    Did Tjones take any jump shots? No.
    Did Tjones shoot any free throws? Yes; and he bricked 2 out of 3.

    Meanwhile TJones got manhandled by David West in the post then when West took it outside he simply shot right over the shorter 6'9" Jones.

    Asik would have neutralized David West, have grabbed 2 or 3 more rebounds; probably would have scored a few more points, Asik is a better passer than TJones and has better overall instincts inside a "read and react" type offense. TJones' shot looks turrible...rather have Asik shooting jump shots, the chances of it going in are about the same. TJones at this point doesn't do anything that Asik can't do twice as good.
     
  14. hardenisaboss

    hardenisaboss Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2013
    Messages:
    1,605
    Likes Received:
    23
    well Lin won't be needed on the starting lineup since you have Harden to feed and there is already enough scoring in the 1st unit with Harden, Parsons, Dwight and supposedly Jones. Lin's offense would be better suited on the 2nd unit like we saw today
     
  15. saleem

    saleem Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2001
    Messages:
    30,256
    Likes Received:
    14,695
    Lin as PG,Asik as the 4 and Howard at 5 is the better way to go as imperfect as it is, in my opinion.
    Whether that will happen or not, I don't know.
     
  16. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,288
    Likes Received:
    49,032
    Creator off the bench ala Ginobody and OKC Harden...
    I like that but IMHO he is too valuable not to start (Lin)
     
  17. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    99,288
    Likes Received:
    49,032
    Lin and Beverley are PGs that are starters and can be effective bench players

    Both are great at that
     
  18. steady

    steady Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2012
    Messages:
    1,329
    Likes Received:
    38
    I agree with you about Lin. I am unsure about the PF position until we see the group with Asik, but I love Asik and would love to see it work out.
     
  19. Morlock O

    Morlock O Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Messages:
    1,413
    Likes Received:
    32
    IMO, if we are against slow defensive type teams, best to start with Lin. let the run and gun offense dictate the pace of the game.

    if we are against Fast pace teams, we should start with bev. bev's dogged defense will force them to play slow.

    I want the rockets to always dictate the pace of the game
     
  20. saintja2

    saintja2 Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    700
    Likes Received:
    48
    While I mostly agree with you on that Asik against West would be a good matchup for us, I wouldn't go as far as saying that "West manhandled Jones".

    Jones didn't go for the West's fakes and played pretty conservative defense where he contested West's jumpers without fouling. In the first quarter West nearly bricked a shot with Jones' hand in his face. The next possession West backed Jones to the basket but Jones forced him to pass it outside (which he did) or take a difficult contested shot. The third time Jones got a little bit stuck on the pick but managed to funnel West into Howard but West made a difficult running floater over him.

    In the third quarter Jones didn't fare as well and West hit about 4 of 7 of his field goals. All were contested shots. The thing is, if you don't double West in the post, he will do damage against about anyone so Jones imo played him pretty well.

    What Jones gave us in the offensive end was a couple of good hustle plays leading to two dunks. He missed another two dunks of passes by Harden which I would expect him normally make. I don't have great confidence in Asik making either of those particular plays very often.

    But yeah, he probably has to show something more in the offensive end if he wants to play more than garbage time minutes.
     

Share This Page