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Who/what can you trade Head for and why is he/it more useful to Rockets than Head?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Aug 7, 2008.

  1. Marsarinian

    Marsarinian Member

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    I thought I read something about Head in this exact forum like a year ago about him being an "exceptional shooter with a huge heart" or something...
    I definitely think it's not about somebody being "unclutch". It's harder to prove yourself when you've got a lot to prove. And after a hard time with taller, more physical defenders from the Jazz, the kid started to get nervous and had trouble getting his shot off. I think we should all give a bit of confidence and pray we aren't the 5th seed again (which pretty much secures another Jazz matchup).
     
  2. Desert Scar

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    For some reason I think Delonte isn't as effective as his numbers indicate. When you look at his Roland rankings (PER, +/-; http://www.82games.com) you will also see he is very average, basically a lot like Rafer or Head.

    I think in fact he kind of is a combination of Head and Alston. He isn't quite the shooter Head is, but has better handles and thus more of a true combo guard. Meanwhile he is a touch better shooter than Alston (more than a touch better inside the 3 line), but probably not the natural distributer/set up guy.

    Salarywise, West is expecting MLE type money. I think Cleveland is thinking about it because he was a mild dissappointment. He did some things right, but I think they were hoping for more. He shot 37% on 3s playing off of Lebron, consider that it is 8% worse than Gibson and only .026 higher than the certified jumpshooting bricklayer Larry Hughes.

    Overall I think West might be marginally better overall than Alston/Head. But enough to committ say 30 mil over 6 years and give up Head/Brooks/Hayes--not sure. I am a more on the fence on this one than say the much more talented and skilled Barbosa.

    Head is a clutch shooter. The issue with Head is he doesn't have a quick release, doesn't have counter offensive moves and doesn't have handles to play the point. He is a good shooting bench 6'3" SG--which becomes a pretty limited player come playoff time except in really unusually circumstances. He is what he is, which is still a better basketball player than 99-100% of the Clutchcity.bbs contributers. It is just with the addition of Artest and Barry it is hard to see any immediate playing time or a rotation spot so maybe it is better to trade him to a team that can use him. He could sure find a rotation spot in a couple of good teams in need of shooters off the bench (Boston, Cleveland) and probably quite a few other lesser teams.
     
  3. rocketanalyist

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    Thanks for the analysis man. I really hadn't gotten to watch him much and wanted to hear from someone that had a better handle on his skills from watching him play verses just his stats. Much appreciated.
     
  4. youngbuk28

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    I don't think it ever happens, but Head/Francis for Raymond Felton. The money works, and Larry Browns wants DJ Augustine.
     
  5. Tfor3

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    I want Head on this team

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  6. BackNthDay

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    Head strengths and weaknesses
    Strengths
    * Shoots well when confidence is high
    * Knowledge of the game
    * Good at spacing the floor spacing
    * Good athlete with leaping ability

    Weaknesses
    * NOT TOUGH ENOUGH ON D!!!
    * Can't play the 1 at 6'3", which is average height for points
    * Handles non existent
    * Turnovers way too high
    * Not clutch in playoffs

    Head was made expendable with the acquistion of Barry and further acquisition of Artest. I see significant minute reduction for him and chuck hayes due to Barry and Artest
     
  7. agpal77

    agpal77 Rookie

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    KEEP HEAD! HE IS A DIFFERENT PLAYER ALONG SIDE YAO. WHEN YAO IS INJURED, HEAD IS NON-EXISTENT. WHEN YAO IS HEALTHY, HEAD IS A FACTOR!
     
  8. pdewalt

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    While I can agree that Head may be athletic I am not sure that I put him ahead of Barry or any of the other backup 2s. Barry can play the 1-3 in limited minutes and match ups. Barry is proven and we shouldn't have to worry when the ball is in his hands as we have tended to with Head. If Head improves his decision/play making then my views change. Your final argument is noted but his decision/play making can offset his athleticism too much.
     
  9. BrooksBall

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    Those videos were awesome. They reminded me that we need to get rid of Luther "1D" Head.
     
  10. juliusking

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    he was a good SG in regular season,right?
    so he will be a useful player.
     
  11. Tmac-is-numero1

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    i don't think he sucks , he just does really....really bad in the playoffs, he's young and is reliable during the reg. season and we he's on he'll light up i say we keep him
     
  12. larsv8

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    One thing I noticed in those vids is he doesn't shoot like that anymore. His stroke is weird now, its sorta has his body facing perpendicular to the direction he is shooting the ball.
     
  13. AXG

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    Last season was sort of a step back for Luther. He can still shoot well, but he was non-existent in the playoffs and makes too many dumb turnovers with his lousy passing and ball-handling. I would keep Luther unless they can get a big man. He's a top shooter and he runs well to the basket.
     
  14. topfive

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    If we keep Luther, he's what, our #10 or #11 guy? He's about as good a #10 or #11 you're likely to find.
     
  15. Bandwagoner

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    A second round pick (not like Novak, I mean the complete rights to the pick) or keep him.
     
  16. Desert Scar

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    He is worth more than a mid to late 2nd round pick, I would want it a high likelihood of top 35 minimally. Maybe I would take OKCs, Minnys or Memphis--but we own Memphis' already. Possibly NJ, LAC, Charlotte, NY or Milwalkee 2nd before the deadline assuming they suck as expected.

    Or I would take a really good teams 1st rounder, like 25ish, where he was drafted or some kind of protected 1st rounder.

    Any less value offered we are better off keeping him. Head is a good player to fill minutes if Barry/Tmac/Battier/Artest are not available for any stretches.
     
  17. rocketanalyist

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    I agree with you. I don't think we will be trading Head, Hayes or Brooks like we did with Novak. They all were in the rotations last year, Novak wasn't. The only way we trade one of them or a package of them is if we get another player that will crack the rotation. Other than that, I don't expect any of those three to be going anywhere except to our bench.
     
  18. Skanookie

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    Luther Head and Chuck Hayes

    For

    Damon Jones

    <B> Experienced Backup PG, 3pt % Range, and can dish the ball.
    He is going to be moved again because the glut of bucks points guards.
     
  19. Cstyle42

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    Damon Jones just got traded yesterday.
     
  20. Skanookie

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    He can be traded again by himself.
     

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