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Who was guarding Roy that last .8 sec?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rock8ts, Nov 7, 2008.

  1. DaDakota

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    THANK YOU !!!!!

    At least make him work to get open and to get that shot up....he was left all alone.

    NBA players can make 30 footers at a decent clip if left all alone....

    It was piss poor defense, but the team has been doing that all year long.

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  2. mich

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    It was caused by "lack of attention" from Tmac. As simple as that.
     
  3. v3.0

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    I hate to sandbag Yao again but he could have ran towards Roy also as he was closest by until TMac ran up at the last moment. Just saying.
     
  4. DaDakota

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    Yeah, but once you get that big truck moving it is hard to stop, and as you know Yao does not have fast reaction time on anything.

    DD
     
  5. HowsMyDriving

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    i dont think you can look at it like that. if you're going to play the "what if" game, then you have to open up all the lateral possibilities. lets say ron is more aggressive and picks up B-Roy, and the inbounder sees this and instead lobs the entry pass to outlaw breaking to the basket, who gets a relatively easy 2 point shot instead. we would all have been up in arms that we should have at least made portland take a difficult shot.

    basketball is so fluid that if you get caught up analyzing the actions of one player, you must consider the effect that has on all the other players on the floor as well as the decision making process of whoever is taking action with the ball.

    At the end of the day, B-Roy made a ridiculous shot in game 5 of the regular season. I'm ok with that.
     
  6. LabMouse

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    Both Artest and TMac are slow for that player. If we have Battier, then would be much better, I also think Rafer could be better in that play.
     
  7. Trini Rocket

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    I'm not saying there isn't a middle ground. What I'm saying is that in an end of game situation like that you WANT the player to take that type of shot. And had Artest or T Mac been right up under him, they wouldn't have put much pressure when he was taking the shot. Why? Because you don't want to foul (I'm sure Adelman was drilling that into their heads as any coach would).

    If you go back and watch the replay, McGrady pulled his hand back as Roy let the ball fly. To me that's saying he doesn't want the refs to even think about blowing the whislte. And there's no reason not think that he would have done the same had he been closer.

    And with regards to Roy's potential game winner in the 4th, a jump shot with your feet set is completely different than a 30 ft turn around hail mary.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    ^^^^^^ No you don't......you don't want someone to take a WIDE OPEN SHOT to win the game.

    Get a hand in his face, contest it a little.

    SHEESH !

    And it was a turnaround, but Roy squared up and shot it....pure.

    DD
     
  9. v3.0

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    Yeah that's true but just turning around and watching while Roy busts a game winner 5 feet away from you is pretty frustrating to watch as a fan.

    I hate to agree with Barkley but guarding the inbounds passer with a tall guy never works, Yao should have been guarding the high post area where he could have impeded Roy's straight run towards the spot he shot the game winner, or the basket for alleyoops or tip ins. Adelman that's on you.
     
  10. Trini Rocket

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    I didn't even think about that but that's a great point.

    As was said before, good defense is forcing the opponent to make difficult shots and we did that. I don't think any Rocket was to blame for the loss you just have to commend Roy (and the time keepers) for the win.
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Actually it works with a tall athletic quick leaper like Robert Horry back in the day...but having a tall, slow reacting behometh is just not going to work.

    DD
     
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    Thank you. I think that T-Mac was supposed to break off to Outlaw incase he popped out or streaked to the paint, but Outlaw never did. Artest was to pick up Roy regardless.

    He took the worst possible shot in that situation and made it, so what. Show respect and move on. We live to play another day.
     
  13. archinkent

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    i have a feeling even if there was a defender close, roy would still make that shot. i dont think he even set his feet or have a good look at the basket, he just turned around and chucked the ball. its just a lucky shot.
     
  14. Trini Rocket

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    I'm sorry but if a team is taking 30 ft 3's, regardless of if it's open or not, that's the type of shot I want.
     
  15. Trini Rocket

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    Exactly! You tip your hat and move on.
     
  16. DaDakota

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    Then you will get beat, because elite NBA players can make an uncontested 30 footer.....

    Maybe not at a high percentage but at least in the 20s...

    Sure, nothing to learn by analyzing your mistakes...right?

    DD
     
  17. v3.0

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    Think about it, the inbound defender has to give so much space clearance asper NBA rules to the inbound defender, how's that going to bother the inbound passer?
     
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    Again, there is a huge difference between being too aggressive in that situation and leaving someone wide open. Yes, you want Roy taking that shot 100 times out of 100, but not without a defender at least within a couple of feet. That's enough to put some doubt in his mind and throw him off a little bit. I assume you've played ball before so you know it makes a huge difference on a jump shot when you have to negotiate a defender, especially that far from the basket. You have to give the shooter something to think about other than squaring up and shooting.

    It is different, but not in the sense that you should be fine with leaving it wide open.
     
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    If he needed another example, however, it came in that last eight-tenths of a second after he made his shot when Tracy McGrady lost Brandon Roy and Roy nailed the 3-pointer for the win.

    Again, don't stop to think, just play.

    McGrady thought a screen was coming and knew that Ron Artest was to switch to Roy after a screen. McGrady stopped, but because there was no screen, Artest never picked up Roy who was all alone for his 31-foot rainbow.

    He still had to hit it and his shot was remarkable. But the Rockets messed up when they stopped playing to think.

    http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2008/11/yao_mcgrady_think_it_over_outs.html
     
  20. Trini Rocket

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    Very few NBA players can hit the type of shot Roy made last night. Far less on a consistent basis.

    Yeah don't miscommunicate again. :D

    Could you at least admit it was a great shot and the defense, or lack thereof, had little to do with it.
     

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