No it's not the same. The inside out post up offense is a system where all the players are involved and everyone has an assignment of where to be on the floor, also you can use some of the players to use back picks to create space for your big man, and you can create other plays from it if the defense keys on the big man too much. The ISO is just some streetball crap where one man tries to take his man off the dribble while the rest of the team camps out on the others side of the floor. There is no team concept behind that, the game wasn't invented for that crap, otherwise Naismith would have just made it a one on one game instead of 5 on 5. I would imagine purists would scoff at it and say "That's not basketball." Even the simple principle of feeding the big man in the post is NOT the same as isolating a guard out on the wing. Why don't the Cavs or the Lakers do this all time if it's such a great offense? Yeah I remember Rudy doing that, he actually started it during the Dream championship years and continued and upped it to the Francis years. He did it so much it became comical and an embarrasment. Did he actually think we were gonna win games based on getting illegal defense calls in the game? Was that part of his strategy, "Well we should get 5 illegal calls this game, that's 4 FTs, we'll build our game plan around that" Rudy became so obsessive with the illegal defense call that I actually think the rest of the team issues were neglected and our team suffered for it. Run the motion offense, do anything, but that ISO crap was boring as hell and not what team basketball was about. Again, I blame Rudy T more for this as he acquired and built the team around a flawed player who never had the mentality for long term success. Steve Francis was quite simply an overrated streetballer who didn't know the definition of winning basketball within the team concept. Rudy basically turned us into the LA Clippers with the Steve Francis era. Ok maybe not that bad, but we became middle to lower of the pack mediocrity and that's why Rudy got the (alleged) boot. And also why Stevie got the heave ho when JVG realized he couldn't win with Steve-O and Les himself okayed the deal realizing that the Francis era was a failure for the Rockets. You can have that ISO crap, it never appealed to me and isn't what team basketball is about. Overacheived is a strong word, I like to use the phrase "just good enough above mediocrity". Here is my point and my opinion: Steve Francis is a loser and I did not want my Rockets associated with loser basketball, which Rudy T turned us into. Again good riddance to that era. It's that simple.
This is the only point that breathes of honesty It is the vemon underneath the rest of your points so just say it .. and don't beat around the bush Rocket River Like the T-mac Era was great the WINNING basketball
fan since 1993 Nice story about him: when the rockets came to play to Mexico a regular season game on dec 97. I got courtside tickets, then before they start the game, they were doing the a shootaround, so I had a barkley jersey, and then he saw me wearing it, and came to my seat, and I shake his hand, and he gave me an autograph, ( I was the only I got an autograph from him) The game was great, and when the game finished, barkley threw the ball to the crowd, and also he took his shoes off, and threw them in the crowd. It was an amazing experience: I liked him while he was on the rockets!
Although Barkley only had one good year for us, anything more of him would be asking a lot out of him at 33 years old. He was nearing the end of his prime a year before he signed with us. He had injury problems in Phoenix and their franchise made some bad moves in the offseason that year. When he came to Houston, he knew we had a chance. Dream was still pretty dominant offensively and still avereged 10-11 rpg and 2 bpg. Drexler was still a top 5 shooting guard at age 34. Kevin Willis was also a great signing for the Rockets, because he allowed us some margin for injuries. Barkely was only able to play 57 games that regular season. Mario Ellie was still here as well, and he brought good perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. On top of that, we were loaded with 3 point shooters. We had a really good squad, and they fit together much better than our current Big 3. At that stage of his career, Olajuwon didn't mind taking 15 ft jumpers to ease the wear and tear of the low post. Drexler would post up at times as well and he was still our only penetrating guard. Barkley was still a great low post player, but he did lose some quickness and gained some weight when he got here. But, he was really difficult to guard 15 ft and in (especially just backing it in for 20 seconds). The one thing we could have used that year was another penetrating guard. Drexler wasn't as quick as he was before, and if Dream and Barkley were off or our 3's weren't going in, on a certain night, we became easy to guard. Barkley, did his part though. It was evident that Dream had lost some of his quickness and he would not be able to carry the Rockets night in and night out the way he used to. The same could be said about Drexler. That trade needed to happen if we were going to have any chance of winning a title with Dream and Drexler. Cassell didn't develop for another 2 years, and Horry bulked up and lost some of his athletic ability as well to play small forward. Plus with the Bulls winning the East with ease, we definetily needed Barkley to match up with Rodamn. Barkley brought toughness, rebounding, a great scoring option, and hunger and fire for a title. The way the Sonics humiliated the Rockets the year before in a sweep, Dream and Drexler knew Barkley would help out greatly. Unfortanately, Horry and Cassell were mismatches the Jazz had vs. the Rockets. That versatility is what made life difficult for the Jazz. When Barkley is there, the game slowed down, and we were forced to play the Jazz'z slow tempo game, in which they will execute you to death. Another factor was health. Malone and Stockton were still in peak form where as Olajuwon and Drexler slowed down some, and Barkley really struggled with his weight and injuries since 95-96 season. We had a great run that season. Mario Elie was quoted saying, "If that trade happened 3 or 4 years before, then we would've definetily won more titles, but at that stage of Barkley's career, there was only so much he could do." He still did what he could with heart, and toughness, and at the end of the day, were were one shot away from a game 7 from getting to the Finals.
Rudy T. is not really an X's and O's basketball coach. On a good, veteran team, he's great. He'll get the best out of his players, and did a great job of containing egos and various personalities. You could say, he was a "great motivator". You didn't see any quit in his team, partly because of Rudy T. and partly because of Dream. Those 2 were a great combination for a team. They had similar personalities in that they never quit. The greatest thing Rudy T. probably did was help Dream to realize that he could rely on his teammates. once he did that, the Rockets took off. Sure, the ball went to Dream nearly every time we had the ball and Dream was in the game, but he also emphasized ball movement, making the extra pass, crashing the boards, and our fast breaks were run to perfection many times. That all has to do with coaching. Do yall remember the last time the Rockets were able to run fast breaks and we knew there was 2 points or free throws coming? We are just now getting back to that with RA. Rudy T. also knew where to put his player to allow them to be most productive. He always had OT along the baseline somewhere for wide open dunks. He didn't make Mad Max just sit out at the 3 point line, he let him run the offense occasionally and penetrate for his own shots. He helped turn Kenny Smith into an efficient point guard. He utilized Horry's talents better than any other coach IMO. Defensively he allowed our guards to gamble because he knew Dream would clean up most of anything that got to the basket. His offense was not scripted to perfection like the Bull's triangle or the Kings motion offense, but it worked in that era where zoning was not allowed. He knew every night we had a mismatch with Dream. He made sure the ball went there atleast once every possession because that is the best chance the Rockets had to score. Now with Francis and Mobley, Rudy didn't have any talent outside of them. Dream was 37 years old, Maurice Taylor was jump shooter who could penetrate somewhat. Moochie and Cato were "vital" parts of our rotation. He simply did not have any other option. Walt Williams and Glen Rice were our shooters. We had no post up options. He ran pick and rolls with Taylor which did work at times. But Steve was a streetballer, but he could make plays and finish, so why not give him the ball and see what happens? You can't blame Rudy for that. Even with the Lakers, Kobe and Butler did not coexist well together. Mihm was the starting center. Smush Parker was the point guard. Luke Walton was starting. Lamar Odom was and still is inconsistent, and on top of that Kobe had somewhat of an off year. Rudy T. , like most coaches needs players that fit their system. In the last few years, we've seen Phil Jackson and Pat Riley (combined 14 titles), have teams barely making the playoffs or missing them completely with superstars on their team. We've seen Larry Brown fail miserably. We see how important Baron Davis is to Don Nelson. We saw how important Devin Harris was to Avery Johnson. Rudy T. is a coach that needs a good low post scorer, just like Phil Jackson needs some of the greatest players of all time to win.
DO NOT GIVE IN TO THIS CRAP. These are such elitist threads to stroke his ego of how he is much more of a rockets fan than everyone else (mostly the crowd Yao Ming has brought here). He still can't answer the first team to draft Pat Riley. POLL Who has been to over a hundred ROCKET games or more and for those that have : DO WE CARE? I live in Houston......... You live in the past. DREAM ON DIVIDER NOT A UNITER, YOU ARE NOT THE DECIDER.
Makes no sense...... am I not supposed to think for myself? Are you saying that Clutch will censor me because we have differing opinions? Did I say i didn't like Barkley? I did except for his defense........ just as much of a liability as Maloney. If you are not trying to antagonize the new rockets fans, you sure are sending that impression. If you are not trying to antagonize people, then your thread/polls are WEAK subjects....IMO. So which one is it?
can you point out where this thread is about antagonizing 'new' fans? you realize if i change the word 'barkley' to 'steve francis' that i wouldn't get this type of reaction.
Can you point out in this website why I should feel stupid when I disagree with Clutch and that there is a price to pay here when you disagree with the administrator? Also where did I say I didn't like Barkley again? first team to draft Riley?
dude, you know i know that answer. but i'm going to let you keep asking it cause i find it entertaining. you know, you really don't have to post on this thread, if you don't have to say anything about the topic.
-In Houston, Rudy T is King! -It's not Steve Francis, it's Stevie Franchise. -The Round Mound of Rebound, left it all on the table. -Pippen suxs! -Drexler knows how to put a team on his shoulders and take over a game. -McGrady era? It's on me! ..and if you think the Rudy T and Dream years were bad basketball years, you are apparently a Chicago Bulls Fan!
i was a rocket fan when barkley got traded to the rockets. those days were fun to watch, playoffs. i had the most fun watching the rockets vs sonics then rockets vs jazz in the 1997 playoffs. those 2 series were really entertaining.
That is a flat out lie, and one of the worst posts I have seen............. Charles was completely dominant for a solid, solid stretch of years......... He could drop 50, grab 30 rebounds, block 10 shots, throw 15 dimes, anything..........3's, Lead the fastbreak, insane leaping ability, and just raw passion for the game of basketball............You can not be a lazy person and be the kind of rebounder he was, All heart and determination, combined with one of the most physical-quick-powerfully structured frames ever...... Top 9 All-Time Season PER, Top 7 All-Time Play-off PER and Top 10 All Time EFF Player list. Some history <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/_v9XE7BijJA&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/_v9XE7BijJA&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object> You would be hard pressed to find many that played harder....... There are only 2 players in NBA History who have at least 23,000 points, 12,000 rebounds, and 4,000 assists. They are Wilt Chamberlain and Charles Barkley, yeah, Wilt Chamberlain.....
Not to pile on, but you sir are a ding dong. Steve had a slew of D-League scrubs to work with, and he elevated the team to a far greater record than we ever should have had.......... He also never benefited from a dominant Yao, and even with a very,very mediocre Yao, we gave the Lakers a great series (while playing Cato and Mo Taylor, Boki, and other Euro/Amateur scrubs heavy minutes) If Steve was surronded with the kind of role players and dominant Yao we have now.......We would have been a team to be reckoned with...... And do not forget that with a that roster, Steve has taken us as far as we have been since Charles......... Also, Steve had Orlando at the top of the Eastern Conference before Mobley was traded for Doug Christie..................seriously................
