Bama, do you think the OU game will change a lot of White (as in Jason) voters minds? Who do you think it will benefit the most?
Give me a break. Out of all those players, only Roy will be a 1st round draft choice. BJ Johnson? Sloan Thomas? BJ Johnson had stone hands his first 3 seasons. He'll be lucky to be picked in the first 4 rounds. Sloan was a good possession receiver but hardly dominate. Bo Scaife was injured almost his entire career here. Ced Benson has been a productive back but not a game breaker. He's been very inconsistent until this season. Only now has he started to run like a Top RB. UT's talent level has always been overrated. The offensive line was inconsistent, r running game was horrible against good defenses and our receivers would consistently drop passes or run bad routes.
Besides Clayton, who will be a first round draft choice for Oklahoma? And Chrissy played with both Lenard Davis and Mike Williams. Two top 10 OL picks. Give me a break.
Jammal Brown. Some of the younger receivers have a chance too, (Jones and Travis Wilson come to mind), though they'll probably be 2nd rounders.
1. OL. When Chris Simms was here, Greg Davis, the genius he is, copied the Denver Broncos zone blocking scheme. This works wonders with quick offensive linemen. It doesnt work with out-of-shape 300 lb players. This is why even though we had talent, they were inconsistent. Leonard Davis was a top pick but most scouts described him as raw and lacking technique. It was his great athleticism that made him such a high pick, not his dominant collegiate performance. When Davis and Mike WIlliams played together, Mike WIlliams was horrible. Outside speed rushers would absolutely annihiate him beating him to the corner every time. He finally put it together in his senior season but mostly as a run blocker. Is it any coincedence that Tim Nunez was the only coach fired despite Mack Brown's unyielding loyalty to his coaches? Mack refuses to fire Greg Davis or Reese and had to fire Nunez because of his unbelievable incompetence. 2. Simms 4 years at UT 1999-Played sparingly, Lost last 3 games of the season including a very mediocre Arkansas team. 2000-Split time with Applewhite. Lost 63-14 to OU. Lost to Oregon in the Holiday Bowl. Simms threw 4 sure TD passes that were dropped in the endzone by 3 freshmen receivers. 2001- Lost to OU 14-3. A game where UT ran 25 times for 31 yards. A whopping 1.25 yards per carry. Dominating the LOS, OU drops 8 men in passing situations playing a medium zone. Inability to run the ball and unwillingness to throw the ball deep results in no offense. Simms is benched for Applewhite. Applewhite leads UT to barely beat a mediocre Washington team. The same team that lost to Miami a few weeks earlier by about 100 points. 2002- Lost to OU 35-24. A game where once again, the running game is completely shut out 35 attempts for 53 yards. Roy Williams, our only offensive weapon is sidelined by a hamstring injury. We beat a mediocre LSU team in the cotton bowl. If we were a "great" team, we wouldnt have lost to OU 3 straight years, we wouldnt have lost to or barely beaten mediocre bowl teams. This year is a perfect example. We still have Roy, BJ, Sloan, Ced Benson, and Bo Scaife. Same talent with 1 extra year of experience - same results - 2nd tier bowl game. No difference. Are you saying this is a great UT team? Hardly.
I'll let you in a secret: media folks are by nature fickle creatures. That one awful game SHOULDN'T change who they vote for, but I will tell you it will. I decided that since I'm fickle anyhow when it comes to deciding a totally subjective award, I'd put it to a vote. Let everyone who voted here get a Heisman vote. I think that Jason White will get it likely, but not by as big a margin.
You forgot to mention Chrissy playing UT out of the National Championship game with his impressive Big XII Championship Game performance in Dallas against a Colorado team they already beat that year. Then Major came in the game and almost pulled it out. But I guess that was a lack of talent or Greg Davis or whatever.
Funny how we got trashed by OU again with all the talent we supposedly have with 1 extra year of experience.
If you think UT wouldve done well against that Miami team, you are nuts. Colorado was a mediocre team. Simms had a terrible game and cost us a shot at being trounced by Miami. Colorado got their ass kicked in the Fiesta Bowl and with Major, we barely beat Washington. Washington, same team that lost by over 50 points to Miami. Miami, the team that sent about 4 or 5 players to the 1st round of the draft that year and a bunch more in future drafts. If we played Miami, we wouldve lost by as much as Washington. That was a great team.
The original point was that, Chris Simms couldn't put up numbers playing with great players, and you chose to defend Simms saying his team wasn't that great. You have been proven wrong, it doesn't matter that UT would have lost to Miami. The point is Chrissy, one player, prevented UT from getting there, while White has played so well, that his team is playing for a title despite getting drilled in their last game. If Oklahoma's talent is so far superior, then why did White lose against Kansas St. The loss actually weakens your argument, obvious the talent at OU wasn't enough to overcome a bad game by White. He helped his team, Chrissy killed his.
How have I been proven wrong? You claim that Chris Simms was the reason we couldnt win despite all the talent surrounding him. Vince Young and Chance Mock had the exact same talent surrounding him yet we got beat again. Tell me how great talent produces absolutely no running game. Tell me how great talent allows Roy Williams to jump over Brett Robin and sack Simms in the end zone. When you have great offensive talent, you aren't one dimensional which is exactly what UT was against good teams. No running game, inability to stop the blitz, which produced a one dimensional short passing game. OU had a bad game but that was an aberration as their defense played horrible. I will make a friendly wager that OU will beat LSU
Tell me again why we weren't in a BCS game in 2001. Vince Young and Chance Mock didn't have the benefit of their coach selling his soul to their dad to get them at UT, and therefore getting playing time their freshman years. UT's running game was pretty good in 2001 when Brown decided to start the freshman that deserved to start, Benson, and it was pretty good until Benson got his clock cleaned trying to clean up another Chrissy mistake. Remember why Benson didn't play against Washington?? We probably would have had a running game in that game also. You can make all the excuses you want, but we clearly had a national contending team in 2001, but Okalhoma had Roy Williams and we had Chris Simms in the Oklahoma game, and we had Chris Simms in the Colorado game. And again, if Oklahoma's team was so great to just throw in any quarterback, why didn't they win Saturday? An abberation isn't a good enough answer for an ass kicking like that.
I agree with this, we did have a national contending team in 2001. I believe in both loses (OU and CU) we outgained our opponents, and probably win both games with Major starting. We certainly would have beat CU if Major played the whole game, probably OU as well as the offense really only needed to put up 1 TD and no points for OU. Now I don't think Major nor Simms would have saved us against Miami. With he weakness the defense showed versus CU (it all wasn't Simms fault) and Washington that Hurricans would have put up a very big # on Texas. I do think Texas had the 2nd best all around team that year--they just botched 2 key, very winnable, games.
Why didn't they overcome a bad game by White? Because everyone had a bad game. Don't compare White to Simms, please.
One more time...remember these words Davis. Reese. Brown. +/- Akina=not reaching potential +McWhorter + Haywood = Better, but still nowhere near
