No, your stats are just not as impressive as they look. White will win the Heisman. Both players are deserving. Fitzgerald is a freak who broke NCAA records with little help.
This poll is regionally rigged, in my opinion. There's not enough votes for Manning, who is better than Symons in any other poll. I also have a feeling there's a much bigger OU contingent than, say, Pittsburgh. Fitzgerald should still get it though, and Manning should come in second (even though I personally don't think he's the best QB in the SEC). When do you have to submit your vote? (Oh, and did you see the halftime of Georgia/LSU? I've never seen a guy actually win money like that. I mean, whoever is chosen in those 'shoot for a million' or 'make a 25-yard field goal' or 'throw a strike' seems to never have experience at any sports. Of course the guy could have easily gotten the other $600,000 if he just made those easy passes. And it was a good game too!)
No way. Riverse or Manning--great at reading defenses and with rocket releases-pehaps could have made a major difference, but not Symons. At least now maybe we can rest the utter bull**** I have been calling all along that OU is the best team ever (I have been saying they aren't even the best OU team in the last 3 years--the latter team had a much more balanced offense with Griffin, a defense with far fewer kinks, and had played and beaten far superior competition) and White being the best player than the land. Most everyone was really short sighted on this one. White has not been pressured all season and since OU had not been able to run consistently against average defense what exactly did you think would happen when they played a good defense who could pressure White? Now wait until see OU tries to move the ball against the real animal defense in the land in LSU. I just hope OU's defense doesn't rise to the challenge and get Mauck to committ stupid TOs. I hate to say I told you so but this one I can't resist.
The one thing I have to contribute on this is--- why is Eli Manning getting all of this consideration? B.J. led TX Tech to a comeback win against Eli and Ole Miss. Tech was something like 21 points down and BJ led Tech to the win. If Eli made some plays a comeback would have been moot, but he choked. I can see the reasons why Jason White and Larry Fitzgerald should/ could win the Heisman, but in my mind Eli does <b>not</b> deserve it.
I think Ely is better than White or Symons--but I agree it is a hard sell that he should win the Heismon. The best case I can present for him is he is the QB with the best combination of talent (I think he is probably 2nd only to Rivers), individual stats and contributions to his team doing much better than could possible be the case w/o him. Leinart--great stats on the #1 team in both polls--has a good case too when you consider statistics and team performance as everyone was doing for White before yesterday. I am just not that convined White and Leinart are that special though--and this was even before yesterday. Given the someone muddy arguments I admit between Ely, Lienart & White--I think Fitzgerald should be a slam dunk now. BTW if any WR is the league of Fitzgerald I agree with another posters comment it would be Mike Williams. But he hasn't proven it week after week against defense that have focused on 1 guy as has been the case with Fitzgerald. In other words Mike W might be there talent and skill wise with LF--but has not proven it. LF has the best case for being the best player in the land.
There's no way Eli should get it. Give it to Rivers if now White or Fitzgerald. Quentin Griffin had a whole 783 yards that year, far less than the rushing attack this year. The talent isn't even comparable to 2000. Umm...John Elway wouldn't have won that game. Yes, oh mighty one.
But the guy was a play maker and good turn none yard plays in to 5 yard gains, a 5 yard gains to big plays. It wasn't always running either, screens count as passess but might as well be runs. That OU team was more balanced in Big games. Thanks, what can I say!!! When everybody was saying this season was over I was calling ludicres. OU is a fine team, but they had not been tested. Texas was extremely overrated, giving up like 40 a few games before, and they gave up 40 another game later that year. That 00 OU team had similarly destroyed probably a more experienced and all around better Texas team, beat an outstanding K-State team twice, beat a Nebraska team when NU was still an elite program, and a good Aggie team, among others. Their was no contest of the 00 team's resume versus the 03--and we saw total evidence for it last week. That 00 OU team never got the credit it deserved until after Bobby Bowden spoke after the Orange or Sugar Bowl saying it probably didn't matter whether it was them or Miami against them. This OU team was getting all sort of credit as not only the best OU team (foolish) but consideration as the best team ever (ludicres) without ever being tested by a very good defense or elite all-around team. I'll also say this, OU could beat LSU, but a point spread of 5 or 6 (Sheridan) favoring them is insane. I can't see how the point spread is much different than a push--especially in NO--I'd take the best defense in the land in LSU with a FG, let alone almost a TD. I think both defense will dominate and it will come down to QB mistakes similar to that OU-FSU defensive struggle. Right now I like LSU because I think they have a better chance to have some success on the ground, where Mauck only has to be successful off play action. I don't think either QB will beat the other teams D when that D full well knows they are passing.
Just a joke mduke, how about Sooners *exposed*...better yet - Sooners looking past Big 12 championship and focusing on the big one, but that has been discussed to death in another thread.
That 00 OU team had similarly destroyed probably a more experienced and all around better Texas team, beat an outstanding K-State team twice, beat a Nebraska team when NU was still an elite program, and a good Aggie team, among others. Their was no contest of the 00 team's resume versus the 03-- That team was nowhere near as dominant as the 03 team, either defensively or offensively. (By the way, that "all around better" Texas team lost to Stanford just a few weeks prior to the OU debacle) That team closed their regular season with these impressive wins: A&M 35-31 Tech 27-13 Okie State 12-7 K-State 27-24 That team knew how to win. It did not, by any stretch of the imagination, dominate. Comparatively, this year's OU team beat its B12 South oponents by an average of almost 50 pts a game. Before Saturday, the '03 Sooners were far and away a more dominant team than the '00 version, who were constantly one play away from losing.
I wasn't speaking to statistical domination but to overall quality of their resume. Again, look at the quality of teams the 00 team beat. This year OU team didn't face any of the top 3 Ds in the Big 12 (their own, KSU or NU) until the Big 12 final. That team faced and beat far superior NU & A&M squads, a superior KSU squad (twice), and IMO a superior Texas team than the very inexperienced Texas team they faced earlier this season. Add shutting down an extremely potent Florida State team as the caper. Beating those teams, even by small margins, is more impressive than killing teams that have obvious weaknesses (Tech, UT, OSU, Missouri--ordinary to weak defenses if not other issues). BTW that Texas team did not give up around 150 points in 3 games and also had much more experienced QBs. The difference between that Stanford game (that year) and the Arkansas game this year is if I recall the Stanford game was away and given away mainly do to UT's TOs and special teams breakdowns. Stanford did not run up and down on Texas like Arkansas did this year as well as OU and a Ttech. Regardless, I agree either Texas team obviously had a lot of problems as OU fully exploited (understandment of the year) both times. Again though, the current Sooner team had managed to avoid good defenses all year. It was not their fault KSU and NU were out of the rotation and Bama and UCLA were down--but the bottom line is that OU offense had not be pressured and even so they had not established a consistent running attack. That is why I said they were vulnerable--and it was exposed in spades. And granted the defense may statistically come out better than the 00 one, but again it is largley a product of comp IMO. The 00 and even better 01 defense were better IMO. The 01 defense gets lost in the shuffle b/c of one trick play by Nebraska plus another half being caught off guard by a fired up Aggie team with a running QB. But I had seen weakness versus Tech and Texas for OU's defense even if those teams didn't make the plays that were available, not to mention 50 points between Fresno and a very offensively inept UCLA squad. I had not seen those chinks in the armor of those 00 through 01 defenses when they were ready to play.
I think LF should get it. I'm just suprised Chris Perry got only 4 votes. (no actually I'm not. Whom am I kidding? This is a board based in Texas.)
