I am as big a fan of Yao as anyone, but the fact is we were 8-5 without TMac which by no means is spectacular. Dude, this team will go as far as TMac will take us and thats a fact, numbers do not lie. TMac is our leader. Do you think we would be 7-0 had TMac got hurt instead of Yao? With that being said, I definitely do not agree that we are better off without Yao. We were 12-0 with him and we would have continued to win as we are winning now.
technically we are 8-7 without tmac. we started out 0-2 (the first 2 games he missed with the elbow). then 0-2 the first 2 games of the knee, then 8-3 the rest of the way. they improved without tmac as they got more games (but 3 of the 8 wins were v. the wolves and knicks though). tmac is still our most indispensable player. but to reach our peak, we need yao.
The proof is in the pudding fellas. This is a 5 star thread. Everything mentioned in post #1 of this thread is happening right before our very eyes.
This team can not operate themselves without Tmac. They're not able to create plays and have players that can create plays for others. So losing Yao is like losing another play maker. Losing Yao also means Tmac going to get a majority of plays run through him which can be good and bad. Good in that he's effective, bad in that he could get tired. Losing Yao can loosing up the team and make them play quicker with a quicker front line....and this can be good AND bad. Good in that they can get easy surprise score inside with Tmac penetrate and dish. Bad in that against a formidable opponent with big man inside like Ducan and Amare and O'neal, the Rockets need Yao's presence.
While the Rockets is on a historical run, won 19 going 20, the so called "fans" here are belittling our own players to talk up their idol. It's just so sad.
you ignore some thing 1)player improve 2)most loss the Yao team(w/o Tmac) get is in 05/06 season, when the team have a big healthy problem. What's the surpport cast he had?Alstone,Rookie head,Anderson,Howard,swift?and no bench!Tmac team(w/o Yao) never play in that season, so we don't know what he can do. The other season Yao did fine. Some loss for breaking-in period, but also show they can do good w/o Tmac. Such as the win against Spurs in 06/07 and everyone expect them to do someyhing, and then Yao hurt, Tmac team come out. And this season, you should remember clearly what happened. 3)Yao team(w/o Tmac) miss 20M, and Tmac team(w/o Yao) miss 15M. So the Tmac team(w/o Yao) has a better support cast. 4)You have Deke in your team.
You cant really compare that team back then to the one that is playing out there now. The team that was running around earlier in the season was a complete mess even with both Tmac and Yao playing. Team confidence is at an all time high right now that i'd go as far to say we would of won todays game had Tmac not played at all.
we'll really tell when playing against lakers celtics suns and spurs, in other words, teams that got true inside presence
People seem quick to forget this team started the winning habit in January, when Tmac was out. Yao was the main guy who got his teammates to play Adelman's basketball. Once the system starts working, with Scola, Rafer and Landry all get more and more involved, this system has grown deep enough to endure loss of one or two players for a while (although honestly speaking, I don't know how long it will last). You don't kill the horse that gets the bandwagon over the hill.
somebody put this in their effin sig....when we lose against the lakers you will see why yao is missed, and rofflesaurus im sick and tired of you raggin on yao, YAO will never be traded. sorry dude it aint going to happen hahaha ill laugh in your face, when he retires a rocket. who have we beat without yao????? the hornets? without west? and all of our threes falling? the nuggets, i guess man if u want to call them quality. oh right the mavs, without dirk, and an old jkidd ruining their chemistry. face it this streak has been tainted by so many astericks no wonder its not respected.
I dont even know how to comment on that. Maybe just maybe it was playing time that is making them accustomed to Adelman's system. This yao-love is amazing. I did not know the one person who is most awkward in Adelman's system got the other players to learn the system. Blame Tmac, love yao. Its always easier to have a scapegoat.
to be fair, give Adelman and Morey one year to find a center, then lets see if Rockets can handle them.
Yeah, again, again, and again. Yet I've never said the team is better without TMac. Frankly, this tmac-love and yao-hate sickens me as well.
Same song if u ask me. When the team struggles without tracy, its because no one stepped up. Classic example was last yr when yao was getting numbers, but the rox were 0-7. Tracy comes back, yao goes down and the rox win 20 of 32. of course deke,hayes, and howard stepped up. I know when shots aren't falling, the rox struggle, but why are people trying to make it seem like yao domintes like a young shaq or dream? Yao can play at a high level, but didn't we see him shoot 44% and committ 4 to's vs utah in the playoffs? He's played some good ball this year, but its not like its automatic. What about the to's by the guards when he let guys come around his post up? The rox don't get the same double teams when yao is in, but give the ball to tracy ft line extended and teams hedge his way. The reaction is different, but still effective. As long as the defense stays good, they will be in every game with one of the best closers in basketball.
I wonder whether you even really watched the games. I still remember how Yao kept waving his hand fanatically to signal players like Bonzi and Scola to cut into the paint instead of gluing their butts at the perimeter. And if you even bother to do a bit searching, you'll see a lot of those "Rox plays better without Tmac", "Rox shares the ball better without Tmac".... threads. Whether it's right or wrong doesn't matter, these threads at least reflected that the team can run smoothly under Yao's control (when he was still relatively healthy) And I did not imply anything about "blame Tmac love Yao". You really have an over-sensitive button. The reality is Rox players had a bad habit of over-relying on Tmac. It only took his extended absence + Adelman's coaching + Yao carrying the team and clearly playing to involve his teammates that finally got Rox roleplayers to really know their roles. Is it Tmac's fault that his teammates have bad habits? So why it HAS TO be blaming? Appreciate a great contributor on your favorite team. It's people like you who have to divide the camp into those ***, YOH, *** crxp.
Why are you being so r****ded in thinking and keep on mentioning last year about the series against Utah? Wasn't it obvious the supporting casts suck so badly? Oh, I forgot. Maybe they would've won against Utah if Yao didn't play.
