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Who thinks this team is better w/out Yao?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Desert_Rocket, Mar 3, 2008.

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  1. oldnews2

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    Tanking since the absence of Tmac isn't funny to watch.
     
  2. lustdog

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    Guys, who think the Rockets without YAO has a better chance to win a 7-game series agains the LA/Dallas/SA/Utah/NO??
     
  3. rockmanslim

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    ok let's play along. if we're better without yao, what is yao's value? obviously there are 28 other teams that would gladly take him, in a heartbeat. hypothetically, what could we get for him?

    no use tying up $15 million on someone that doesn't make us better, right?
     
  4. leebigez

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    What people are still not getting is the simple statement I made about doing something great to be considered great.

    DD or someone brought up the duncan/garnett deal. Duncan and garnett in their prime were great defenders and great rebounders. Shaq in his prime was a dominant scorer and good rebounder as well as a good passer. Hakeem was a great defender,great scorer and great rebounder. I said tell me something yao does great before we call him great. That ft shooting is great, but if he was more aggressive and went to the line 10 times that would be better.
     
  5. ekim

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    Yeah but the problem is Yao is an AAA cash cow.
     
  6. t_mac1

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    i'm sorry that's false. he settles for fadeaways way too often, b/c like tmac, our 2 superstars SETTLE.

    look at the utah series, it was fallaway after fallaway after fallaway v. okur. utah never tried to double him much at all.

    the only time yao would go for a dunk/layup is if he's right underneath the basket or one dribble away. rarely does he dribble 2-3x to get closer to the basket. he knows he'll turn it over or something and thus "settle" for the fallaway.

    believe it or not, tmac and yao are the same type of players "so far". they might change or they might not. when defenses get tough on them, they "settle" for the easy out.

    if u saw the game v. the spurs earlier this yr where duncan played him straight up down the stretch, yao destroyed duncan on FALLAWAYS. if u saw how he destroyed chandler in the 20-pt blowout, it was on FALLAWAYS. yao can make those so that's why he settles for those a lot. same with tmac and his Js.

    that's why we haven't advanced. thank god for landry and scola, who would not settle. :D
     
  7. ikfit

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    We are fans, I belive all coaches, former players. They all said Yao is important and is the key we can go far in playoffs.

    No need to discuss better or not.

    1. I do want to limit Yao's play time and give Deke or small line up some more time.

    2. Yao will make other team hard to double Tmac and give space for our 3 bombs.

    3. When our shooters are cold, we need Yao.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    from the chron, we still scored around 49.5 points in the paint out of the 108ppg we have averaged since yao went out. that's roughly 50% of our scores. so "technically," we have been getting to the paint and get the "easier" shots. but we also are making our jumpers.

    we WILL miss yao, no doubt about that. but this team can play without yao. when tmac was out and with yao, we still got a lot of stagnation in the 4th b/c the ONLY option was to pound it into yao and everybody stands. now with tmac at the high post or the elbow, the double team can give landry/scola a lot of easy shots if they move to the middle, along with the option of 3s.

    we WILL miss yao like i said eventually. and yao's injury is going to be the reason we might not do much in the playoffs. but this team can play without yao. they don't entirely depend on yao (or tmac). we really don't.

    as long as they play with confidence and do not panic, they can play without anyone. remember, we STILL haven't used scola as our low post presence simply b/c tmac running the high post is so effective right now.
     
  9. zzblack

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    Way to construct a straw man. Here is what I wrote:

    So instead of resorting to the dishonest tactic of quote mining, how about responding to what I actually wrote? Please name another player who scores over 20 pts / game with similar efficiency and with constant double teams who is not a "great scorer".
     
  10. zzblack

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    I already responded to this, but you ignored it to quote mine my "20 pts / game" point instead (see above). Feel free to respond this time:

     
  11. tuka

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    +1 zzblack

    and ... pls ....just pls lock this thread ... Cluth .
     
  12. Eric_Bian

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    I think the 13 to 17 straight wins is the temporary result of YAO's off. As other teams in the league are not familiar with this so called "fresh" team. Actually it's a new team with a totally different offensive system than before. Believe me, no more than 1 week from now on, rockets will be drowned. But I really don't want such thing happened...
     
  13. pmac

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    ding!!ding!!ding!!ding!!ding!! we have a winner!!

    We haven't won anything with both of these guys. I'm beginning to think they are a bad match.

    This team was constructed with Tmac's passing and Yao post play in mind but when we have tmac and Yao goes down we seem to play quite well. We definately aren't better w/o Yao but this team is better with just tmac than they are with just Yao. So...

    As tmac is considered a injury prone has been, Yao is considered one of the best if not the best big man in the league. Think about that trade value. Trading Yao can get you great picks for the future and some really good pieces for this high motion offense.

    Adleman has never had a slow low post oriented player in his offense so I think it was hard for him to really assert his style with Yao. In the end, though, Yao won't get traded until he's past his prime ala the dream, it's just too hard to find great bigs.
     
  14. OddsOn

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    uhm.....how can I say this....

    NO!
     
  15. juju14

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    We won 12 in a row with Yao.Get it through ur head.Our fast break points were going at the end of our strak when yao was in.Yao was averging two blks a gm so i don't know what this about deke being a wayyy better defender.I hope we don'tend up playing GS in the playoffs and u will see how much we need Yao.
     
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    Golden State would completely run Yao off the court. Are you joking? Golden State?
     
  17. magnetik

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    didn't Yao get 36 pts and 19 rbs the last game against the Warriors? and hit 14-15 from the line.
     
  18. juju14

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    hmm Who does GS have to stop Yao??All we need is to give yao on offense.Thats 30+ automatic there.
     
  19. OddsOn

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    The last time we played GS WITH Yao we kicked their butts.
     
  20. Desert_Rocket

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    He had an outstand game against them offensively. But they weren't the same team that ran Dallas off the court last year in the playoffs due to injuries. They are currently getting back to that form.....
     
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