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Who thinks this team is better w/out Yao?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Desert_Rocket, Mar 3, 2008.

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  1. Glacier

    Glacier Member

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    Totally. Scolandry is good, but Yaoscolandry will be scary. Yaoscolandry+MacRafer+BatHeadeke = Championship!


     
  2. leebigez

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    Name me something yao is great at other than free throws.
     
  3. Nice Rollin

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    so i guess that means we dont need him. since he's not great at anything....lets just not have a big man who forces double teams at all. that makes a lot of sense. lets not have a player that teams focus their defensive game plan for...I think we're better when all the defensive attention is on Tracy McGrady.


    isnt being great at freethrows enough? Esp, as much as he gets to the line?

    he's a great shooter by the way. He can shoot over the top over most players/centers in the league.

    Yao is 22, 11, 2 and 2 assists......Those kinds of players just are available at all times. We can get that anytime....not to metion 50% from the field 85% from the line

    Yall do realize that this streak might not be possible w/o Yao right? When McGrady was struggling ealier.
     
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    A player can get so many free throws has to be great at something other than free throw.
     
  5. Cowboy_Bebop

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    22 and 11. Hmm, I guessed he totally suck. THis winning streaks have rendered alot of people totally ignorant.

    Since we are winning without him, his trade value is probably very low now. Lets trade him for the second best center in the league, Dampier.
     
  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    and that was again with Yao....

    I can't believe you actually think we are better without Yao. Man, YOH in da house.
     
  7. Seven

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    You are thinking too one dimensional. Think about it...If being great at one thing determines the value of the player, then is Josh Smith a better player than Yao Ming? Which player would you rather have? If Yao is only great at free throws, then why do teams double team him? Obviously he has to be an offensive force.
     
  8. leebigez

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    Those are good numbers, no doubt, but not great. When u put up great numbers and ur team win, ur mentioned in mvp race.

    Yao is a good shooter. He is a great ft shooter though. He's a area rebounder and scorer and poor handler. When I say ballhandler, I don't mean dribbler. I mean he's turnover prone. I think he as good as pre injury brad daughtery.
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Here's the deal, Scola can score in the paint, and landry can score off the assist.

    But Landry can't post up and Scola can post up a center because he's kinda shorter.

    So that's what you lose without Yao. You don't have a guy who you can throw the ball to while he's out of the paint and either turn and shot for a HIGH percentage shot or take it in and get closer for the score - or pass it out.

    If you notice - scola is not a good passer it goes in, and he's going to shoot it.

    Yao could pass out, he could hit a jumper, he could make a hook or fade away, and he could take it in and score as well.

    That's a big thing to have in the playoffs when the game comes to a grinding tug-o-war and you need someone to pound the ball inside.

    Yao was the man for that. And such a big role that plays - how do you know? Look - Yao carried us through such a tough strech, we wouldn't be 41-20 without the big guy because instead of starting our run at 17-17, we'd have been 10-24.

    That's right, we'd have long given up on the playoffs without Yao.
     
  10. leebigez

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    Once again here we go again. I never said he suk, I merely said in order to be considered great, u have to be great somewhere in ur game. Some guys are great passers,scorers,rebounders,defenders, something. What is yao great at?
     
  11. madmonkey37

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    How about consistently drawing double teams that get his teammates open shots.
     
  12. liangqj

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    In the playoff, you can understand how we miss Yao.
    What is yao great at? I wonder why you can ask this stupid question.
     
  13. leebigez

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    If u watched the playoffs last season which I know u did, u noticed utah stop doubling yao after game 3.

    In the nba, they double anyone in the post except chuck hayes and the likes, but i'll give u that one. Let me say this, a great post player defeat double teams over 50% of the time. When u double a great post player, the double has to be almost perfect. Example: Duncan gets the ball low block back to the basket. If the double is small, it doesn't even count. If the double is high side, he turn baseline. If the double is baseline, he turns to the middle for step through. If the double is just right, he has to kick it out and then re-post closer to which he is so close to the basket, the double doesn't matter.
    In all fairness, there are moments when yao plays the post great. More times than not it doesn't happen that way, he gets indecisive and a turn over happens. That's why some of the teams like gsw and phoenix give him problems.

    Look, I like yao and I've said as such a million times, but my definition of greatness I guess is differernt from those that differ with me. Just like there a good actors and great actors. Yao is a good player.
     
  14. TheBornLoser

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    Dude, forgive me, but I think your head is way too deep within your ass.

    With Yao, we have had several quality wins:

    i) Twice against the Spurs. Yao defended Duncan one on one. Nuff said.

    ii) Against the Suns in Phoneix - Yao put up the leading point and rebound numbers and crushed the Suns from the inside.

    iii) Against NOH in New Orleans on BtoB - Defend Yao one on one, NOH gets destroyed by beginning of 4th quarter.

    iv) Golden State Warriors on BtoB with T-Mac- Played like an MVP.

    Teams and coaches acknowledge that Yao cannot be defended one on one. That is one of the biggest matchup problems in the whole league. So basically, I have no idea why you keep on harping that the Rockets are better without Yao.

    But then, maybe it is pointless beating a dead donkey...
     
  15. Cav000

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    "not as lethargic in the 4th quarter as they did when Yao was in the game"
    firstly,i don't think it's his problem.that happened in the lowest-spirit period of the team. Then, i think Rox's good performence desen't mean the whole team is better without Yao, cause , we all see, these teams don't have powerful Center or don't have enough big guys,while the playoff teams have. Above all, to win the championship a team had better have more choice to do the deffense and offense. these day's games show this without-Yao team could do well, and when Yao gets back ,we'll have two strong lineups,that will be a better team but not this one. Where would the Champion Cup go then ? :cool:
     
  16. Cav000

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    Isn't he the one of the best passers among the Centers ?
    Isn't he the one of the best scorers among the Centers ?
    Are those enough to prove he's great?
     
  17. Chielin

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    Totally agreed!
    I don't know if anyone has analyzed how turnover rates impacts a player's statistics. For example, if you get 22 points with 5 turnovers per game, does that convert to 12 to 16 points with 0 turnover a game? (5 turnovers means your team doesn't get to score for 5 times and other team gets additional chances.)
     
  18. durvasa

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    A turnover can be considered to be worth one possession, which on average a team will score about 1.06 points. So if you wanted to do this type of adjustment, you could say 22 and 5 would be roughly equivalent to 16.7 net points.
     
  19. krayziefl

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    The rockets are the best when their two stars are healthy. Anyway if one of the stars has to be out for a period of time i would choose Yao because i have more faith in Mcgrady carrying the team for X couple of games.
     
  20. IamKhan

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    trade yao for Pau, Pau is a better fit for coach a's system according to some here, coach phil will be sure know how to us a low post player like yao. Rockets vs Lakers in the WCF.
     
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