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Who owes Jalen an apology from last year?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rocketchamp, Oct 29, 2024.

  1. Stephen_A

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    Everyone has opinions but assumptions not based on anything is idiotic. The comment was stupid and will be rightfully judged.
     
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  2. Risingred

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    I agree with you. Credit gives to Chop Shop because they said it the best way - Inconsistent explosive players are bench players like Jamal Crawford. On the other hand, Someone always bring up this thread after a good Jalen shows up, then bad Jalen occupies for a few games and this thread is dying fast. I said it last year and I said it again. If Jalen's 3P% goes up and maintain to the league average (currently at 36.6% for all positions, 37.1% for shooting guard) till the end of the season, I'll willing to sign up this thread and happily admit I'm wrong about Jalen. Don't BS with me about other stats, For a shooting guard going to make 35mil+, he should at least shoot at the league average efficiency. The logic is simple, people can show me how much he improves his defense or other metrics, but is Jalen as good as Amen? If not, they can't justify why start Jalen over Amen. Amen is shooting at 30% from 3s and 55% from the field. Yes Amen doesn't shoot that many 3s but Amen doesn't have a FG% less than 40% as well.
     
  3. Stephen_A

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    League avg argument is always stupid. Not every player plays same minutes or have the same touches or workload or posessions etc. FYI neither Booker or Edwards shot league avg in 3pt% last year. So a more holistic evaluation for players is needed.
     
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    If league average 3PT% was placed at 100 on a scale (how bball ref has it listed now) Book and Edwards would be within 2% of it. Jalen was 9% under. TS% Book was over 5%, Edwards under 1%, Jalen under 7%. For last season.

    Jalen is a inefficient player right now
     
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  5. Risingred

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    It is not stupid at all. "Not every player plays same minutes or have the same touches" do not mean they aren't comparable. Assume one player shoots 40 percent and he plays with let say Jokic, getting open shots after open shots, and another player shoots 36% and his team cannot create open shots for him, then we can say player 1 and player 2 need a deeper analysis. However, we know it's not the case. ALso, It's a fair argument that neither Booker and Edwards did not shoot ave 3pt% last year, but that is my expectations on Green. Every people have their own expectations on a player and the expectations can be different. You have your low expectations on Green and I do did not insult you because you have different opinion with me. However, your posts keep saying people are dumb or stupid just because people have different expectations than you. You are not even a contributing member so I don't know why you are posting like you are superior than everyone in the forum.
     
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    I respect your basketball knowledge.If Jalen continues to struggle with his shot what is your opinion of making him the 6th man and elevating Amen to start in the backcourt?
     
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    At $35mil, Jalen is currently scheduled to be the 26th highest paid guard in the league going into this offseason and after some contract negotiations over the summer I expect Jalen to be somewhere in the ballpark of 30th highest paid guard. In a league with 60 starting guards, I see Jalen's contract as us overpaying about $5mil for a few years for the privilege of having his rights(that we can trade) - call it roughly a $30mil Jalen contract with a $5mil bonus so we have control of his contract and don't have to play any awkward restricted FA games while we are trying to resign our young guys.

    His contract is short enough and his production close enough to league average for a starting SG, that I don't think it will be a hard one to move off of. The thing everyone needs to realize about Jalen's efficiency numbers is his role in the offense contributes to a lot of the "he is wildly inefficient as a starting SG" because he is tasked with running an offense with high usage. For a team who needs a league average SG and already has established franchise players, Jalen probably would be a much better version of himself on lower usage. Much of where Jalen's efficiency takes a nose dive is those "hey there are leaving me open for a walk in 3 with 17+ seconds on the shot clock". If he doesn't have the ball in his hands during those bad shots periods - the efficiency might still be bad, but likely not as bad as what it looks like on high usage for a team who has very few offensive creation options outside of Alpi and FVV.

    Side note - I would like to experiment with what an Amen Thompson as the primary creator offense looks like. Can we try to squeeze maybe 5-7 plays a game into that mold and see what it looks like?
     
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    Again that’s your expectations and not an assessment of what happened on the court. Many fans on here like yourself do not analyze what’s happening on the court but instead place judgement on players using your own biased standards and BS metrics. This is stupid. I do not call everyone stupid but you and those like you—yes. Dumbest is I said nothing on what my “standards” are yet you assumed and spoke for me. This is why you’re an idiot.
     
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    Fair question. Amen is not a SG in my opinion and would better play 1. I like him over FVV as he makes the offense of dynamic and explosive. I have said it before and agree with the assessment Green’s been inconsistent but he’s best at the 2 for this team. Some of this has been on him but it is how we play as well and I’ve written extensively about this. We don’t have an identity on offense. And I do not think running everything through Sengun is what’s best for this team since the offense is predictable and our personnel doesn’t match that style.
     
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    I would love to see Amen supplant FVV, just don't think Ime would do it. I think Amen could create and let FVV become more of a spot up shooter. I would like to see what Jalen could do with the second unit in a more wide open game, but ideally Jalen just gets better at shooting and Amen and Jalen are our future backcourt.
     
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    And still tiers above JG. That should tell you something. In my experience JG stans are a lot more delusional than Sengun stans, at least the latter have some facts on their side.

     
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    Your comment is irrelevant to my post.
     
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    I think we are stuck with Green for this season and relegating him to the sixth man role would only hurt his confidence. I suggest we stagger Sengun and Green such that their on court time together is limited. Without Sengun in the middle, I want to see Green attack the paint like Morant. I don't see why Green can't be Ja Morant for 20 minutes a game, same body, same athleticism, same insane first step. If he can do that then he can be a plus player.
     
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    And above all, I am a Sengün fan but I would put a lot over defending Sengün.....like he is not the apple of my eye or center of my world.

    There are a lot more relevant things than Alpe ......some of those hardcore Jalen fans do not think that way.

     
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    His microwave skills are top notch and probably to put over that of Malik Monk ....but he is also more inconsistent that you don't know which of the Jekyll or Mr. Hyde side is going to turn up in the 4th......

    Hard to put a price on a product that could be 1 Dollar or 100k of dollars......that is how wide the range is.

     
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  16. bustamove

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    Dr Jalen or Mr Hide
     
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  17. Stephen_A

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    Do not ever forget “hardcore” Sengun fans as well.
     
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    This narrative really needs to die.

    Let me tell you something, Jalen not being able to attack the paint like Morant has more to do with Jalen not being able to consistently beat his defender, than it does with a big man being near the paint with his defender clogging it up so Jalen can't penetrate.

    It's almost like people turn a blind eye to the fact a lot of Jalen's drives are when the defense is scrambling and broken down.
     
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  19. Tuckmose

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    Jalen is the fastest player I've ever seen that can't consistently beat his man off the dribble.
     
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  20. Jontro

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    what happened to jalen last year that requires an apology?
     

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