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Who is the SOFTEST Rocket?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Oct 11, 2009.

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The softest Rocket is

  1. Tracy McGrady

    129 vote(s)
    50.2%
  2. TMac

    38 vote(s)
    14.8%
  3. #3

    40 vote(s)
    15.6%
  4. Car Laundry

    50 vote(s)
    19.5%
  1. Tom Bombadillo

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    1. Well, Why did you respond to my post? Because that is what MY post that YOU quoted, said. Strange... He HAS QUIT on a team. Once a quitter...
    2. I call that throwing your HARDWORKING teammates under the bus. Those guys cover for his lazy D every, single, night. It disgusts me that he has the balls to say "If I was on the Celtics..." It is truly disgusting.
    3. Fair enough.
     
  2. daywalker02

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    Because what he did in Orlando;Toronto stays in Orlando;Toronto.
    As a Rocket he did things but he never coasted in the playoffs at least.
     
  3. BizzleRocket

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    Because it's true..


    Honestly, can anybody give me a reason to even like T-Mac? The best thing he's ever done for us is score 13 points in 35 seconds in a REGULAR SEASON GAME.
     
  4. SmoothOperator

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    Question is would you call him a lady to his face or only anonymously via the Internet?

    If you wouldn't say it to his face, what's that make you? A little girl?

    Save for last year, why don't you back up your points with some stats or evidence? He tried to play hurt last year because he thought we had a chance to make a run with Artest. It didn't work out.

    Just to expose the idiocy of these posts, I did a little research. McGrady seems to get criticized most for his playoff performance. So, I looked at a comparison of some various stats versus who many consider to be our best defensive wing in Shane Battier.

    In the last playoffs that McGrady played in against Utah, with various injuries, here's some comparisons:

    McGrady (2008 Playoffs) / Battier (2008 Playoffs) / Ariza (2009 Playoffs)
    DRb%: 19.5 / 7.5 / 12.0
    Stl%: 2.1 / 1.4 / 2.6
    Blk%: 1.6 / 1.6 / 1.2

    Looks to me like McGrady holds up pretty well defensively and that label is just another empty myth perpetuated by blind, illogical hatred.

    All stats available at http://www.basketball-reference.com
     
  5. AntiSonic

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    He punked Roger Clemens in a softball game. I give him props for that.
     
  6. Slimjim19

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    He led this team to 22 straight wins without Yao, got into the discussion for MVP that year, did his best against Utah in the first round (without Alston for 2 games and Yao for the entire series), and everyone jumped on his bandwagon, which probably included you.

    Then he gets injured, tries to play through the pain, and isn't able to because it's too aggravating. He undergoes microfracture surgery, is out for the season, and people like you all bail on him and say he hasn't done anything for us :rolleyes:

    Typical bandwagon fan.
     
  7. AntiSonic

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    None of those statements are true. Typical Tracy apologist.
     
  8. SmoothOperator

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    I did a little more research on the historical context of McGrady defensive performance in the playoffs. He doesn't have enough games to qualify on Basketball Reference's career lists for DRb%, Stl% or, Blk%, but if he did, he'd be ahead of some folks who are considered great defenders.

    For example:

    McGrady has a better Stl% than Bruce Bowen, Chauncey Billups, Sidney Moncrief, Tayshaun Prince, and my personally hated Derrick McKey. Surprised?

    For block % McGrady is ahead of Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Scottie Pippen, Charles Barkely, Clyde Drexler, and Karl Malone to name a few. Not bad.

    For defensive rebound % McGrady beats Michael Jordan, Tayshaun Prince, Clyde Drexler, Kobe Bryant, and Dr. J. And if you look at numbers just with the Rockets, it would be even better and he'd be ahead of guys such as Magic Johnson and Kevin McHale.

    I think all of the players that I listed were considered decent defensive players and some are considered great defensive players.

    So, who says McGrady doesn't play defense? Where does the reputation come from?

    I think it's time for the cult of McGraters to step up with some facts and reasons because many others and I are sick and tired of the empty drivel.
     
  9. AntiSonic

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    How does McGrady stack up to those guys in games that actually matter %?
     
  10. SmoothOperator

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    That's playoffs only. I think those games matter.
     
  11. AntiSonic

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    How do his percentages look vs those guys in conference final and championship games where the competition gets tougher?
     
  12. CaptainRox

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    Can we band all T-Mac haters or atleast suspend them?
     
  13. AntiSonic

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    Yes band them to the Styx forum.
     
  14. TheFreak

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    In your first post celebrating McGrady as a defensive stopper you cited his '08 stats. Do your stats factor in that he was guarding Utah's 4/5th option Ronnie Brewer? I mean I know he guarded Dirk that one series, and people like to hype him for that defensively, but it's not like guarding Dirk takes a lot of effort, just length and agility, which he has.

    You're posting blocks and rebound stats - if you're guarding a weak offensive player, it's easier to hang back and get cheap blocks on other guys and then grab some easy boards. Your argument isn't too compelling brah.
     
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  15. True Rocket

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    We'd have no admin.
     
  16. Slimjim19

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QPjwQBBpF0
    Skip to the ESPN analysis part: 2:50

    Which part isn't true? How ignorant can you get. Hate on Mac all you want but there's no denying what he did do for us.
     
  17. pmac

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    I don't think Mcgrady is a great defender but...
    :confused: :confused:
     
  18. AntiSonic

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    All right let's break it down for you.

    The Rockets had already won 12 straight before Yao went out.

    He received 0 first, second, or third place votes for that award.

    If his best consists of settling for half assed long range shots, you may have a point here.

    Getting behind the team does not mean you are on the McGrady bandwagon. I have been consistent in my stance.

    How ignorant can you get?
     
  19. BizzleRocket

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    Yeah too bad Yao played in 12 of those games. :rolleyes:

    Really he plays through pain..Ok, Granted. But tell me this...Why does it matter if he plays through pain if he's still going to avoid contact in every single play and every single second on the court?

    You act like he's brave for doing that when he's not. It's Pathetic really....Everything we thank Tmac for is the regular season success, like that matters. :rolleyes:
     
  20. Slimjim19

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    1) Yes, I know they won the first 12 without Yao. Would you not say winning 10 straight without our all-star center is still an impressive achievement?

    2) Note, I said he entered the mvp DISCUSSION, and if you watched the video or at least part of it, you would see my point is at least supported by some (yes, I'm assuming Tim Legler wasn't the only one at ESPN who thought that McGrady entered the mvp DISCUSSION that year).

    3) Yes, I would consider McGrady's long range shots to be one of his strong assets.

    4) Your last statement has nothing to do with my response to you. I did not reply to you in my first post, it was to BizzleRocket. BizzleRocket originally implied that McGrady has basically done nothing special besides 13 and 35, and that there's nothing to like about him. Obviously, Mac has done much more, which you still seem to deny. I also said absolutely nothing about "getting behind the team". Obviously, everyone here supports the Rockets, or else we wouldn't be here would we?
     

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