Very nice, Hydra & River. My picks: Bryant Garnett Sprewell Webber and maybe the #1 -- Rasheed Wallace
Next time this "overrated" player by the name of Kobe, plays the Rockets, watch with an objective mind what he does to your team. Then you might change your mind. And even though I don't like him, Sheed is more of an underrated player than an overrated one
Penny and Shaq were together how long? and how long before Kobe and Shaq got their 1st ring? Penny and Shaq played in a stronger more balanced league then MJ was there. . .Ewing was credible. . .miller and the pacers were good. Shaq was also MUCH YOUNGER and LESS EXPERIENCed . . Kobe + MATURE SHAQ + 3 years working together = 3 rings Penny + IMMATURE SHAQ + 3 years or so working together = conference championship in a more balanced division. so . . .don't hand me that bull**** about rings. KID ROCK don't judge PENNY of today with PEnny of 1995. in 1995 Penny was a D*MN GOOD PG Dennis Scott Nick the Brick and horace vs Fox Fisher and Horry selective memory to prop up kobe is not cute Rocket River
Iverson has all of the shooting, passing and explosiveness to be the best offensive player in the league. For all of this, however, he commits way too many turnovers and shoots well below the (pitiful) league average. A lot of times, he is out of control when he tries to take over games - heaving too many baseline fadeaways, overlooking an easy pass, trying to shoot out opponents, and travelling (he doesn't dribble off his foot anymore, though). The reason his turnover average has declined throughout his career is because of increasingly lenient officiating; he walks on every play and commits palming violations (when was the last time you've seen that called?) even more. Also, since hand-checking has been eliminated, he doesn't pick up cheap fouls any longer. Let's face it - the NBA is very closed to being rigged. He didn't much leeway with officials after his comments to Michael Jordan, but when he himself achieved superstardom after Jordan retired... Anyhow, Iverson is the shortest all-star offguard in league history, and without Snow, Mckie and the rest of the guard rotation the Sixers would not be in playoff contention (their GM didn't recognize this, and traded away Speedy Claxton). Remember: at point guard, Iverson didn't improve Jerry Stackhouse, who was then traded, so the team brass soon dumped all of his high-scoring teammates to replace them with role players. This is why any of Iverson's teams will never win a championship. He is overrated, and pretty unlikeable. --- Oh, and don't get me started about Kobe Bryant, who proves that any hyped Harold-Miner-like phenom with a decent shot can become an NBA superstar if the league so desires. If Miner had stayed healthy, was able to take risks on defense (he never was able to stay with his man) with a good big man, and was handed every call driving to the hoop after flailing his arms, he would've been an NBA superstar.
50% of the "superstars" that the NBA markets are overrated... They're good, but they don't have the drive to become better. There's no real rivalry out there.
What a crap statement. Don't you think the fact that Kobe plays with shaq down low has SOMETHING to do with the fact he isn't double-teamed? Say want you want about Kobe being overrated or underrated, but using your head up the butt theory that Kobe can't be the 2nd best player in the NBA because he is single-covered is laughable at best.
I'm sorry but I don't get how a guy that's easily one of the top 5 players in the league can be called overrated. is there some sort of envy that bryant got 3 rings or something? i have to give credit where credits due. if people sometimes watch him play with an open mind, they'll see how good he is. i was the same way. i said 'man bryant ain't nuthin but a punk b*tch! he is jocking jordan's style, etc etc'. but when the guy started playing up to par as one of the top players in the league, i ate my words. You want my list? Here goes: 1. Webber--sorry but that disappearing act in the WCF was the only awe-inspiring thing he did. To be paid 121 million dollars just to fade into oblivion like that...CANNOT HAPPEN!! He is still one of the best PF's, but to accept that much money just to punk out at crunch time like that..... 2. Pippen--the dude had amazing D in his heyday w/ the Bulls. He shut down the best guys sometimes. But after the 6th ring, he went down, but fans continued to be in denial that this guy is past his prime. I regret, and i hope many others, regret the rockets ever giving him that contract. His D is fading and his shooting makes you cringe. the only redeeming quality he has now is when he plays the rockets he ALWAYS gets torched by mobley. 3. Iverson--Love the guy but his shooting ability is beyond ridiculous. The # of shots is sort of forgiveable b/c if he dont' take as many, sixers lose. But 39.8%?!?!?!? that's ludicrous As for Garnett being overrated, sure he gets paid A LOT but who didn't before the CBA? Shaq got his money, Zo got his money, Garnett got his money, and heck even Juwan Howard got his money. It was management's fault for giving him all that money without thinking about the other 11 players. Give Garnett Zo's supporting cast before his kidney problems and i bet you that Garnett would actually get past the first round. 3.
Iverson isn't overrated, because he does what he does at 6'. Not many people his hieght can do what he does at the two guard. He's is undersized in every matchup, on a team that relies on him scoring 30 ppg. Because without Iverson his team sux.
I have to agree on this one-- Carter carried that team last year- and this year he toughed it out on a flarked up knee (obviously to long) The series against Philly last year was one for the ages.
You guys are ridiculous! AI is without question the most TALENTED player in the NBA. Every night AI lines up against the best athletes in the world. In a game where height is a premium, AI is the anti-typical 2. He throws all 5'11'', 165 lbs. of himself into traffic with the trees one time down then the next he crosses over a 2 stops on a dime and drains one in the defenders eye.......AI is just sick, dont like the guy but you all only show a lack of appreciation for a great athlete by just calling him overrated.
I'd probably have to go with... Mike Bibby. Right now, he's in line for the Austin Croshere award. Yes, he played a great WCF. Yes, he's a good PG. But did people watch him only during those games, or something? The guy might be a top 10 PG. Maybe. But he didn't do anything in Vancouver. And it's not hard to sign in Sacramento if you have the ball, when every guy who can step on the court can also shoot. If he gets the max, it's going to be one of the worst contracts in the NBA in a year. BTW, I personally think Bryant is a top 5 player, but it's really hard to tell. He's definitely better than someone like harold miner or stackhouse - significantly better midrange game and defense. But I just don't think you *can* know right now if he's #2 in the league. He looks like it at some times... but never has to carry his team. If I had to guess, I'd wager that once Shaq retires, Kobe's going to resemble Jordan in terms of dominance. But I can't be sure, nor can anyone else.
Iverson 30ppg. + 39 Fg %= 35 Shots a Game. If Wagner shot as much as Iverson this year. He'd get ROY.
I'm sure he'll do well, given that the defense will be focusing on Shaq. What makes him underrated, the fact that he doesn't rebound and hasn't led his stacked team anywhere? Or his max contract? Or his leading the league in techs? Or his tattoos? Or that hole at the top of his head?
i'll agree but what about the .398% shooting percentage? sorry to say but if he didn't shoot many jackups and had a better shot, he could EASILY get 40 points a night. EASILY. people say 'oh man that boy iverson is droppin 30 a night on everyone' but they fail to acknowledge what he had to do to get that 30 points a night. In a game where height is a premium, AI is the anti-typical 2. He throws all 5'11'', 165 lbs. of himself into traffic with the trees one time down then the next he crosses over a 2 stops on a dime and drains one in the defenders eye.......AI is just sick, dont like the guy but you all only show a lack of appreciation for a great athlete by just calling him overrated. I dig iverson and all but the guy is as streaky as mad max. he needs shot control. yes i know he needs to shoot 20 shots a night for the sixers to survive, but that don't mean he has to miss 12 of those shots either. and of course he has to throw his body into the defenders, that's a smart/cheap way of going to the foul line to pad his scoring.
That was actually my point. Don't YOU think that maybe one of the reasons that Kobe looks good is that Shaq draws triple teams. Why do you think Fox, Fisher, and Walker look like credible starters. It is the same thing as the Rockets in '94 and the Bulls during Jordan's heyday. When your team has the most dominant players in the league, the other players all seem better. Scottie Pippen was also called the second best player in the league, until he signed with the Rockets and his teammates were an aging Barkley and a shell of a Dream.
