you just quoted my post from 2 years ago...i'd have to go back and do some research to see what QB's i was orignally talking about back then. what the context of the conversation was.
Dang...I didn't realize this thread was so old. Never mind, lol. I just saw it and started readint it. I figured it was HOF related.
I'd probably be on your side in this argument, but are you talking about the field goal? If memory serves (and I wish it would stop serving in this case), they got a Bubba McDowell INT TD in the second half, and outside of that just a FG. I love Warren Moon ... was a big fan of his and anything Oilers back then. Remember when he threw for 527 yards against the Chiefs? He could have had the record too, but they didn't rub it in. That Buffalo game did sum up the Oilers quite nicely though. Moon has a historical first half (19-22, 219 yards and four TDs!!!), but when the air got a little thinner, the whole team choked. I would put most of it on the defense and special teams... couldn't get the onside kick, couldn't hold them on 4th and 5, couldn't stop Frank Reich and Kenneth Davis, botched a key field goal ... but Moon threw two costly picks and sealed the Oilers fate with the last one being in OT.
This was overshadowed, naturally, but I always thought on that last pick in OT that Ernest Givens (I think it was him) was quite literally tackled by the Bills defender as the ball was on its way allowing the other defender to make the pick. Obviously, doesn't excuse the loss or anything.
He was. But by then even the referee's were rooting for the Bill's comeback. The replays showed blatant pass interference.
It was Chris Dishman. I do think it is funny that people still degrade the R & S while simlutaneously glorifying 'new wide open' offenses that feature four and five wideouts with no tightends. Kelly, Moon, Blanda, Stabler. The rest don't belong in the conversation.
This is hysterical. First, his name was Cris Dishman. Second, it was Bubba McDowell with the interception in the second half returned for a touchdown. I remember it vividly.
I was just thinking the same thing, Bob... Dickey was better than Pastorini, but it's a long story - something about draft position. Kelly Moon Dickey
Huh, you're right. I coulda swore it was dishman. Not sure what's hilarious about it. Maybe the horror of the day has started to make my memory fuzzy. I wish...
Not true my young apprentice. I was at the game he first stepped foot on the home field. He started the 2nd half of the game vs. the Lions in which Barry Sanders broke the 10,000 yard rushing barrier, and almost brought the Oilers back to win it. 1995 if I'm not mistaken... EDIT: Yep... I was right.
John Mclain makes a great case for Moon. http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/3633151.html DETROIT - Former Oilers quarterback Warren Moon, a member of Seattle's radio broadcast crew, is eligible for the Pro Football Hall of Fame for the first time. When the 39-member Hall of Fame selection committee meets Saturday morning, it will determine the Class of 2006 — a class that could have as many as six and as few as three. It'll be the toughest vote in history. Like Moon, Troy Aikman, Reggie White and Thurman Thomas — who starred at Willowridge High School — are eligible for the first time. Although Moon also played for the Vikings, Seahawks and Chiefs during a 17-year NFL career, no one is more qualified to judge him than Oilers' fans who celebrated and suffered with him during his 10 years in Houston. Moon is very deserving of being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame on the first ballot, but it's going to be difficult. A survey of voters shows that Moon has backers and detractors. Hopefully, the voters will listen carefully to Saturday morning's presentation that will show — beyond a shadow of a doubt — that Moon should be part of this year's class that will be enshrined in Canton, Ohio, in August. The two biggest obstacles in Moon's path to Canton are voters who say he compiled phenomenal statistics in the run-and-shoot, and he couldn't win the big playoff game to reach the Super Bowl. Let's examine each. First, Moon was a starter for 15 of his 17 seasons. He only played in the run-and-shoot for four seasons (1990-93). Second, Moon didn't play in a Super Bowl. Dan Fouts never played in one, either, and he was a first-ballot inductee. Comparable to Fouts Check out how Moon compares to Fouts: Both had 15 seasons as a starter. Moon had more yards (49,325 to 43,040), more touchdown passes (291 to 254), more regular-season victories (102 to 85), more playoff seasons (nine to four), more 3,000-yard seasons (nine to six), more Pro Bowls (nine to six) and the same number of playoff victories (three). Fouts was deserving, and Moon should be, too. But some voters just can't get beyond the fact that Moon didn't win more playoff games. Here's something they should consider: In playoff losses to Pittsburgh (26-23 in overtime) after the 1989 season, Denver (26-24) after the 1991 season, Buffalo (41-38 in overtime) after the 1992 season and Kansas City (28-20) after the 1993 season, Moon was remarkable. In those four games, the Oilers averaged 25 points. Moon completed 124 of 177 for 1,317 yards and 10 TDs with four interceptions. That's a 330-yard average despite trips to Denver and Buffalo. In each of those four games, the defense blew fourth-quarter leads. And you don't need to be reminded, of course, that the Oilers led Buffalo 35-3 midway through the third quarter. Here is more evidence that will be presented Saturday: Only three quarterbacks in history have led their teams to eight consecutive playoff appearances: Terry Bradshaw, Joe Montana and Moon. In 15 seasons as a starter, Moon's teams made the playoffs nine times. As a starter, Moon had 12 straight seasons in which his teams didn't have a losing record. The only quarterbacks selected to play in nine Pro Bowls are John Elway, Dan Marino and Moon. During a 10-year stretch from 1986-1995, only Marino threw for more yards than Moon (37,410 to 36,130). During that period, Marino (254) and Jim Kelly (223) are the only ones with more touchdown passes than Moon (220). Moon had more playoff seasons (nine) than Kelly (six), Elway (five) and Marino (four). A worthy role model Also, when Moon was 39 years old, he threw for 4,228 yards and 33 touchdowns with Minnesota. When he was 41, he threw for 3,678 yards and 25 touchdowns with Seattle. Even though it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame, achievements in the Canadian Football League don't carry weight with the committee, so Moon's five Grey Cups in the CFL won't merit consideration. Quarterbacks like Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb said this week that Moon influenced their careers and opened doors for them. Moon showed coaches, general managers and owners that an African-American could excel at the most important position on the team, which made him a trailblazer for a generation of young black quarterbacks. Trailblazers, especially those who overcame so many obstacles to post some of the most impressive numbers in history, deserve to be immortalized in Canton.
