No one is discounting how good Oscar was, but he really was more of a combo guard than a true point. Same goes for Magic in my opinion. The man started at center during a Finals game. His ability to play every position on the court is the reason why I don't consider him to be a true point guard (but I do consider him to be the best player ever for the same reason). With this in mind... 1. Jason Kidd 2. Fat Lever 3. Steve Francis
No question that players are more athletic, better trained, yadda, yadda, yadda, but Oscar would dominate even today.
Easily the best rebounding PG ever was Oscar Robertson. Magic is the only one I would consider in the same league in terms of rebounding from that position.
so because he was so damn good and could play center when is team needed him too u wouldnt call him a true point guard? thats pretty r****ded logic to me...
I approve of this message..... sort of. Dream is still my favorite followed by Moses but Magic made Kurt Rambis servicable.
If you really believe that quote then you must be to young to have watched Magic. He was puriest of point guards. Always tried to get his teammates involved first.
In the 60's there were about 11,000 available rebounds every year. Now there are only about 7,000 available rebounds. All of the rebound numbers from then are skewed Not to mention great players never sat down, he played 46 MPG 1.Magic (technically a PG) 2.Kidd 3.Robertson 4.Lever 5.Francis
Magic Johnson? The guy is 6' 9" for goodness sake. Tall enough to be a center. I have to go with Jason Kidd playing in this era.
Um.... LINK??????!!!!!!! PROOF????!!!!!!! It's Oscar Robertson, not even close... not even close. / this thread
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html Look at team statistics and league average 3,421 per team, 2 teams per game equals just under 7,000 http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1962.html 5,713 per team, 2 teams per game, just over 11,000, in 2 less game
I wasn't talking about Magic's point guard skills. I was talking about a man who is bigger than LeBron James, and that gave him a huge advantage over PGs, SGs, and many SFs that he went up against when it came to rebounding. There's not another PG that would ever be able to match up with a PF. Magic is on a level by himself.
The answer without a doubt is Oscar Robertson .... Dude averaged better than 10 boards a game for his first three years in the league including 12.5 per in his second season.
It's not a handicap contest, if he's too short to be a good rebounder, then guess what, he's not a good rebounder.
Oscar Robertson and Magic were for their career the best PG rebounders of all time and both were the epitome of point guard play as both were the primary ball handlers on their teams. But since there are so many who discount old records here's my decade stats. NOW.... Russell Westbrook and Rondo... a toss up by my account 2000's...... Jason Kidd 1990's ..... Gary Payton 1980's.... Magic and Fats Lever, Magic was pure and simply an amazing player and Fats had a 4 or 5 year period where he just put up some amazing stats that get easily overlooked because of the period he played in but for his size he was amazing 1970's..... Walt Frazier, a very underrated rebounder 1960's .... no one could compete with the Big O
