Who is more "racist": The Trump Organization or Silicon Valley

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Like I said, we don't know if he's a racist. But he has said racist things because he claimed a man could not do his job because of his race. That is racist.

When Trump is saying that black communities are worse off now than ever before, he has put forth no effort at all to understand the issues of those communities. When he talks about putting the unconstitutional stop and frisk back in place, he clearly isn't thinking about the issues of minorities.

It isn't that Trump wants to enforce immigration laws that shows he hasn't thought about the issues of minorities, it's the comments he's made. Guess who else wants to enforce immigration and has been deporting more folks than ever? Obama. Yet he isn't accused of racist statements as much as Trump has been.

 

I don't think anyone including black leaders, and liberals all around believes the black and other minority communities and conditions are ideal. I haven't heard anyone make that argument. MLK jr's statement was correct and isn't anything at all like Trump's. In fact those times were one of the times that make's Trump's statement ridiculous and show how out of touch he is.

 

Did you quote me by accident? What I'm saying is Silicon Valley does not represent liberals even if they are themselves liberals. So the transgressions of Silicon Valley do not reflect on liberals, generally. They are themselves -- for-profit organizations riding a bubble to riches. That's it.

 

Then I do fail to see what you're trying to say. Are you saying we should find some kind of community of liberal-leaning companies that over-index with diversity hiring? And, I presume you think if some such thing doesn't exist then somehow Trump is not a racist? Is that the argument? Please help me with logic.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL. Both sides are hypocrites....I am not sure what you are trying to prove but it's only making you look very silly and ignorant.

 

Maybe I understand now. You're saying the data shows that, if not for all the H1B visas, Google/Facebook/etc would be employing many more blacks and hispanics than they do now. That H1Bs steal jobs disproportionately from blacks and hispanics.

Honestly, I don't like H1B very much. It is offshoring on-shore. From a business perspective it's great -- reduce costs while not losing the managerial control and worker proficiency that you often suffer with offshoring. But it means you have workers living in the US and working at a discount. I rather doubt they steal jobs disproportionately from blacks and hispanics, but they do reduce workers' negotiating leverage and depress wages of citizens. The H1B workers sacrifice on wages because they are taking their pay in non-monetary benefits (which are provided mostly by the country and not the hiring company) -- entry into the US, higher wages than they can command in their native countries, building their resume, perhaps start a path to citizenship -- but also because they are somewhat captive in their jobs in ways citizens are not.

But, Trump's position on H1B didn't make him a racist anyway. He's got plenty of other indicators on that score. Nor do I think his position makes him some kind of a champion for the American worker either. There's a lot of factors that shaped our H1B policies, including some powerful economic interests. Maybe he'll make some changes, but they'll be incremental, and the benefits felt by American workers (and black and hispanic workers) will be minimal and perhaps offset by the impacts on American consumers. Even if he scores a big win on this issue though, I still don't see how that justifies overlooking his many, many other faults.