Hakeem would never have a bad playoff series (scoring wise) against the likes of Robert Horry, Horace Grant or Pau Gasol/Lamar Odom. You put those dudes on Hakeem and they get destroyed. I have seen Duncan bounced out of the playoffs 3 times in situations like these (2001, 2002, 2008). The main difference between Hakeem and Duncan is that Hakeem could explode for 40 a night on you in a series. Duncan can't. Last years defeat to the Lakers was a perfect example. In situations where the team just needs Duncan to consistently take over and carry the team (ala MJ, Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe, Bird, etc).....he can't....at least not as well as Hakeem. It's the same thing that seperates Duncan from Shaq, although I would rather have Duncan in that case because Duncan is better at closing out a game and a better defender. But Hakeem is better than him in both of those cases as well..........
You say this like Hakeem won 10 championships or something. He didn't dominate every playoff series he played in either. They're both great postseason players.
sorry but the problem with olajuwon not winning more championships is in suporting cast he never got a second player to suport him
I thought we decided this one in a thread older than this one.... Dream > Shaq > Duncan > David Robinson
The Bulls were always soft on the inside. A Twin Towers combo like Duncan and Robinson would have been a nightmare for them.
I used to think that the Spurs teams of 99-03 would've given the Bulls more trouble than the Laker teams of 99-03. That would've been the toughest beast they faced in the Finals.
This is quite possible the mot r****ded thread in the history of clutchfans, or the internet in general. Comparing Olajuwon to Duncan is like comparing Heidi Klum to Rosie O'Donnell
hakeem skillwise. but you cant ignore duncans credentials and he DID win championships with his twin towers. altho hakeem came close with sampson we couldnt execute altho i blame the drug bust. they shoulda done that AFTER we beat the celtics. that was just wrong... if you compare hakeem and duncan in their primes you would need to compare their TEAMS which would be either the 94 or 95 rox vs. the best spurs team that duncan had. i would say current team when they were young and had a championship under their belt. that would be a good matchup. altho i think horry would go up against horry.
I'm not highlighting the ability to win titles. A lot of that depends on your teammates. I'm highlighting the ability to consistently take your game to the next level. If all else fails I know I can drop the ball to Dream and he can put up damn near 40 for a series, no matter if he is being checked by David Robinson, Shaq, whoever. When Shaq was in his prime, I knew you could drop the ball into him and he could damn near hit 40 for you (even though he was playing against scrub centers). Duncan is not an explosive scorer like that. There is no way you could contain Hakeem or Shaq with dudes like Robert Horry, Horace Grant or Pau Gasol. And it's not like they were zoning him like Seattle used to do Dream. jackson hates to double and in most of those cases (all losses to LA) they let Duncan go straight up. Clyde was a great player....but MJ could go super nova on you. T-Mac is a great player, but I have seen him blanked out by dudes like Fisher before. On the flip side, Kobe has consistently shown that he can go super nova on you. I don't think Duncan could have lit Robinson up for near 40 a night to carry us to a playoff win. Folks keem mentioning that he doesn't need to score big for SA to win, and he doesn't in most cases. But I have seen 3 cases where he needed to and couldn't. We all know Hakeem could. Last postseason was a perfect example. Manu was hurt and they needed Duncan to score. Duncan couldn't even dominate the Lakers paperweight frontcourt last postseason......
Or Dream and Thorpe. Too bad MJ's gambling earned him a long vacation away from the league, 'cause I'd have loved to see the Rox take those two championships WITH Jordan around.<BR>
Ugh. Even if you somehow manage to compare Robinson/Duncan to Dream/Ralph, there is no way you can compare the Bird/Parrish/McHale/Johnson Celtics to the 8th seeded Knick team of Camby/Sprewell/Houston.
We certainly disagree often, but not here. What is truly rediculous, ludicrous, absurd, and a waste of our time is bringing this thread back now. And why? Because Duncan blocked a midget foolish enough to test him? Is that what spurred this? If so, the person who did the deed is a fool, with all due respect. No one argues, with any sanity, that Tim Duncan isn't a great player, a Hall of Fame player, but the idea that he could approach The Dream as a center is just plain stupid.
Its really believe impossible to debate players from different era's. Players and coaches today have the luxury of technology to review games, sports medicine is eons better, athletes are better (plus we are past the color barrier) , basketball has had numerous rule changes (how many more points would Jerry West have had with a three point shot in his day??)
Obviously its not the case on a board like this, but outside of Houston the opinion really is split on who was the "better player" over their career.
mehh, I think most people equate rings with talent. If people around the globe have to debate whether Hakeem is better than Duncan, then my notion that 90% of the Earth's population is r****ded, has been confirmed.
Outside of Houston more people believe the only reason we have two rings is because MJ retired. You believe that as well?
I disagree with that, because I think there's legitimate debate on who would have won between the Rockets and the Bulls with Jordan (no retirement). I also there's legitimate arguments to be made on both sides of this Olajuwon vs Duncan debate. I have a problem when people take one side of either of those issues and act like its stupid for anyone to think otherwise.
