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Who is America? exposes racists

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Jul 28, 2018.

  1. fchowd0311

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    These are wonderful ought statements but in reality, any poor community will generate more children before being financially stable with two supporting parents. You see this with poor white familles, poor black families, poor Latino families, poor Indian families etc.

    It's just that due to the past 400 years of systemic racism has force funneled black people into shittier situations on average from slavery, to Jim Crow where they were force funneled to **** funeded segregated schools for 100 years. That treatment is going to generate a higher rate of poverty. Also criminalizing and improsining nonviolent drug offenders in mass can also contribute to the single parent issue.
     
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  2. JayGoogle

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    No, you did not post the stats relevant to that post. You should watch the video, it's fun.

    4 kids with no male figures? No single race has a birth rate that high in America is kind of my point? You keep saying that certain groups are all about breeding when US fertility rates have been low for some time now and that is explained by the Demographic transition.

    http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/11/29/race-ethnicity-and-national-origin/
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    Here is later data...via wiki...
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    Are these facts you will accept? US Birthrate is low if you are going to say the issue is absent fathers, stick with it, because on average no race of women in the US is having 4 kids at a time...

    Absent fathers (not unwed, that means nothing to me) is certainly an issue. I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but systemic racism is still an issue, yes.

    No, it doesn't affect EVERY black person, but it still affects many. Again, the housing discrimination, black names studies, the fact that black people are exonerated at an insane rate IIRC like %50 of all exonerations...tells me that this is an issue still.

    It's not that it affects every single black person, it's just that there is a chance that if you are black it will affect you...and that doesn't exist for white people on a larger scale.

    I mean, later I can even show you anecdotal stories, plenty, of cops admitting their racism...they are not all that hard to find. Now, is it possible for a black cop to do the same to a white or non-black citizen, certainly, but since blacks are the minority group it is just less likely.

    Also, props for that, I simply misread it then so no offense taken.

    I don't disagree with Lemon in general but I think sometimes people downplay the deck of cards others are given. Sometimes it's a crap hand that you can't win with.
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    Well since education is one of the most powerful forms of "bootstraps" to give you the best odds, the 100 years of redlining black families into poor neighborhoods on top of the fact that most school funding comes from local property tax which results in poor neogjneighbor getting **** funding for their schools which results in shittier schools means those "bootstraps" suck and the odds are much lower.
     
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    I much prefer the hangout thread on the show. Not sure why I ended up seeing this one, either. Should have been invisible to me due to the thread starter.
     
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  5. Senator

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    Cops aside, this prejudice from professionals exists for poor whites as well, from women who work in the service industry to men in blue collar professions. It is hard, period, if you are poor and not college educated, and the increase in opiod use is one of many factors that illustrates it's still hitting people hard in 2018. You have to start somewhere .... "I'm not going to have kids or be present with the few I have instead of leaving women to fend for them on their own and with grandma's etc. "

    Would you say there is a difference in the way poor whites go about dealing with this as opposed to poor blacks / hispanics, despite minorities generally being more community oriented? If people don't address that and draw a hard line on the general approach to having kids, which is where all the pressure comes from, how do you expect the other side (middle and above professionals) to start assuming the best? Do you really credit the majority of school systems with producing smart kids, or the people at home? It's less about homework and tests than it is about playing a role to earn a living.
     
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    When I talk about family, I mean some kind of structure. Some kind of boundaries because kids don't know what they are. So having kids irresponsibly negates any kind of birth rate percentage , because you put them in an atmosphere not conducive to succeed. And by succeed, I don't mean millions, I refer to not being a societal degenerate.

    So absent fathers and the general nonchalance towards raising kids a certain way amongst the poor and lower middle class is a huge issue, and there is a clear disparity in the way black and Hispanic minorities approach this vs White. There are plenty of exceptions, but when fighting systematic prejudice, you really have to buckle down and know you need to be 2x-3x as sharp.

    Cops. I would comply and not adopt aggressive behavior to give myself the best chance when dealing with them. You'll increase your odds if you aren't committing a crime. Is this a racist suggestion? The immediate state of panic helps no one. Every african american I've talked to (none in poverty), they've never had issues.
     
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    They don’t call it the dirty south for no reason. Wypipo just as screwed there as the other races. They just angrier that poor blacks get the same assistance as they do under democrat rule.
     
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  8. JayGoogle

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    The thing is this.

    Life is complicated. I wonder how fatherless these children are. Sometimes things are a lot more complicated than that. Does fatherless stats count a married couple with 3 kids for 10 years and then divorce, leaving the mother to raise her kids by herself? Because I know a family like that, they did EVERYTHING you asked them to do, but divorced.

    I think the idea is silly that if you just do A, B, and C you will succeed in life no matter what, that life is that simple for everyone, it isn't.

    Well, that's nice and all but public opinion polls on race and relations with police tell a different story.
     
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    I know plenty of blacks and white people who have been harassed by police - I know because I have seen it first hand. You guys like to always pick the cop over the black man side 100% of the time. I notice that you always say, "if they just would have complied" but many times that's not good enough.

    TBH it's more a class thing than a race thing. Low class whites will get treated like **** by cops. Problem with blacks is that cops consider blacks as a whole as low class, so they treat them all poorly weather or not they have a PhD
     
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    Can't wait until 16% of Danish women and 30% of Swedish women are veiled...from head-to-toe.

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    Going by my anecodotal experience being raised in a Muslim family, about 20% of Muslim women in my extended family along with family friends and the Muslim community I interact with wear a hijab(just covers the hair, not face) regularly outside religious activities. I know of only 1 Muslim woman who wears a Niqab (shows only eyes).
     
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    I believe the percentage was much lower in Egypt some decades ago as well.
     
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    If the public has proved anything time and time again, it's that they're stupid. Privy to manipulation from the media, victims of hype and a need to play the victim in order to "feel" something in their lives. You can spin anything any way to suit your personal narrative. Their opinions are heavily skewed and a big reason why the US is struggling so much culturally once the internet took off. Give me 1 smart opinion over 14 stupid ones.

    Yes, the 1 case of police racism on a body cam will generate lots of media controversy, but the ones against white people or with fair treatment won't make the news. Trash sells on all ends of the political spectrum
     
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    Yikes. It seems Musilms don't like Russia :eek:
     
  16. JayGoogle

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    This is more than opinions though.

    When you have studies throughout the decades that prove this racial injustice in policing and our justice system you don't help bridge any kind of divide by just ignoring it exists. Maybe their opinions are skewed by personal experience?

    I agree that the internet has...well, it has created echo chambers. It allows people that think the Earth is flat to surround themselves with like-minded individuals who then only reinforce their ideas. This is exactly how things like white supremacy have come back into play along with racial psuedo science that was long ago put in a coffin.

    Also, that one case SHOULD generate controversy. Tamir Rice was a kid playing with a toy gun, he was shot down by an officer whose job it was to protect that kid, not kill him. I don't care who that happens to, it SHOULD generate controversy.
     

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