It is easier for low IQ types to point fingers than take accountability. It really does come down to things like not having babies you cant afford , non hostile behavior , being somewhat competent by not always hitting the bottle. There is a reason working class (service industry, labor, etc) Russians, Indians, Chinese do so well and the horrible white people complaints are from minorities who think breeding as much as possible is a person's mission in life. You'll never hear supposed leaders like lebron speak out about that , it's hostile behavior towards anyone who doesnt suit a heavily biased narrative. And ultimately that hatred has to do with the person who doesnt look at society honestly, not the evil white man. So congrats on finding a group of 15 racists in hicksville, arizona. You've broken barriers by posting this vid.
You bring up LeBron literally in the same week he starts a school that provides free college tuition upon graduation. I think he understands priorities quite well. I think he's trying his best to help. Not a good time to bring in the "mAh athletes b**** about white people only" narrative. Look, it's well within your right to think that majority of Black and Latino people only care about breeding and complaining about white people but you should understand when a large segment of people like you hold these beliefs, it creates a perception that has tangible impacts on how we percieve and treat blacks and Latinos from bank loans to law enforcement thus ironically confirming the resentment they have for people like you. Also from my experience almost every small rural southern town holds similar sentiments. Now imagine being a Muslim American family who wants to do something as simple as a cross country road trip and how on guard they have to be just going to a rest stop in the thousands of "Hicksville, Southern State" where having people stare at you thinking you are a potential terrorist.
The thing is, no one is going to hicksville arizona and that's the problem. A wipe out of economic opportunities, and why Trumps short sightedness appeals to them. Stimulate the economy at all costs, whether it means banking on coal or manufacturing more steel while placing tariffs on China. They need basic survival $, and once you get that going , you can settle down the racial mistrust and judgment. Lebron opening a school has nothing to do with him speaking up about the behavior of cerrain males with a chip on their shoulder that the lib media preys on. It's not a bad thing, but also conveniently ignores entitlement and lack of accountability that hurts these communities in the long run. You'll stop looking for someone else to save you when you can save yourself. Yes, the climate has to change. Less us vs them and more inclusive behavior. But for that inclusive behavior, you have to behave and live a certain way.
This is exactly it. The whole "Let these poor white folk get their money first, then we can solve racial issues," doesn't help the black people who were victims of housing discrimination, it doesn't help the muslim family who is a victim of hate crime. Just admit that you care more for those poor white americans than other americans, that's really what it comes down to for you. Minority people are supposed to appease these people, not call them racist, not offend them, when that's all they do to us. So really F that. Poor urban people need basic survival money too. The irony here is that you want Lebron to speak up about the behavior of 'Certain males' while you can't even speak up about blatant racists. You tried well to hide your racism but I guess it didn't take long to come out full force with the race/IQ thing. Dei, is that you? By the way, immigrants do pretty well for themselves in general, this is true for African immigrants as well, funny how you didn't mention them in your model immigrant group.
Here's the thing. You don't consider yourself as one of these individuals from "Hicksville". You just stated that most minorites only care about breeding and complaining about white people. So I assume we can't blame economic anxiety on your beliefs. So if a large contingent of people hold these perceptions of Blacks and Latinos such as people who control who can get a bank loan or law enforcement, it creates a situation where that racism isn't just benign small town "Hicksville" but rather has a consequencial tangible effect on these minorities.
There's so much wrong with this post that is sad. The stereo type of drugs and alcohol and a lack of accountability is a terrible view that doesn't reflect the reality of what goes on in these communities - and then are compared to immigrants who are a self-selected group of people not representative of their originating homeland.
I am not doing the us vs them, my side is right and you're wrong thing. I'm pointing out this thread is an example of blatant racism that you could not use against anyone except white people because it's the cool thing for the media to do right now. But it solves nothing in terms of value creation - no minority is going to hicksville Arizona to NOT work! We agree that poor people in general need survival money, and the only way to do that is start lumping them together instead of making poor white people out to be racist hicks who vote for trump because they hate muslims, and poor urban people to all be LeBrons who just weren't given the chance. Give everyone a chance , I have been a fan of universal basic income with subsidies from the govt and the top 0.05% going directly to this. Not small business owners taking the brunt. That doesn't just mean Bezos and Gates, that means the top 100,000 richest Americans contribute to it. It's not socialism but it helps the country in the long run. But with this needs to come a culture of living responsibly, not just praising "God" for being able to always get by then having as many kids as you have time for.
Read the post above about universal income for all legal citizens. In the real world people go by actual experiences, not P.C. views that come from people hooked on one biased news station or the other. When I root for a baseball team, I want that team to do well. If a pitcher on that team keeps sucking, I point that out based on what I see. It is not prejudice, but the common goal of wanting the best for the team. The white people I know do not sit around wanting non whites to fail. It doesn't make sense economically and those with hate tend not to be in positions to hire others. Speak to any stable, middle class minority and they'll tell you the US is where opportunity is at regardless of skin color. If you provide solid character on a consistent basis, I want to work with you. I want to rely on you. This benefits me and discriminating based on your skin color / religion hurts me. But when you're entitled, angry, have a chip on your shoulder... a lot of it drummed up by the media (on both sides), no one wants to deal with that. The millennial generation is far less racist than the one before it, but if we want to go towards a race free society, it will have to start with compromise and the end of threads like this.
So you believe racism that genuinely and tangibly effects minorites comes in the form of overt racism where someone explcitly tells you that they want to harm minorites. That just shows your naiveness frankley. You express a belief that a large portion of Latinos and Blacks only care about breeding and blaming white people. I'm also assuming you believe yourself to be a moderate and sane. That means you believe that most sane white people probably hold similar sentiments about black and minorites also. That means there are thousands of white bank loan lenders, law enforcement officers, teachers, judges etc also hold these sentiments. They might not overtly "hate" black people but if they hold similar sentiments to yours that might mean they might not give the benefit of the doubt as often to these minority groups as much as a white individual. Implicit subconscious bias is a real thing. And if it happens in mass enough, it can create tangible systemic issues where maybe on average a black individual with a similar credit history and income as a white individual might be approved for an auto loan with a higher interest rate(this is actually the case btw) and that's just one small example. So I hope you understand why people concentrate on racism against minority groups more so than racism towards whites. Yes, there are people who are racist towards white people. However, at least in the United States, racism towards Blacks and Latinos have tangible systemic effects that can result in unfair prosecution practices, sentencing practices, loan practices etc.
African immigrants, who I work with on freight, have told me they do not align too closely with African Americans and do not get along either. Just because people have the same skin tone, doesn't mean they are one in the same. CNN's Don Lemon agree's with me: The focus of the commentary was a five-point list of recommendations. "Black people," Lemon said, "if you really want to fix the problem, here's just five things that you should think about doing." The No. 1 item on that list -- "and probably the most important," he said -- had to do with out-of-wedlock births. "Just because you can have a baby, it doesn't mean you should," Lemon said. "Especially without planning for one or getting married first. More than 72 percent of children in the African-American community are born out of wedlock. That means absent fathers. And the studies show that lack of a male role model is an express train right to prison and the cycle continues." https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...on-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/ Racial or ethnic group - Percent of births considered "non-marital" Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders - 17 percent Non-Hispanic whites - 29 percent Hispanics - 53 percent American Indian and Native Alaskans - 66 percent Non-Hispanic blacks - 73 percent It's easy to ignore facts, point fingers and call everyone racist, but it benefits you more to look at the facts.
The one thing I'll say here is this, poor people have more kids, period. It's not a race thing, it's not even a culture thing, it's a human thing. It's been globally observed for a long time. Basically poorer countries (If people are given a choice to do so) always have more kids and the richer a country is the fewer children it produces. Maybe it's just a human thing of compensating for those kids lost during hunger and conflict, it is not some racial thing or even a cultural thing, this is something that has held true for all of history. It's no surprise that in poor areas in the US that poor people have more kids. You said something earlier about how some men think the only purpose in life is to reproduce, but really, the basic instinct of EVERY living thing is to replicate itself. I'm not sure why you pretend like American poor people are any different? Even so, this whole thing you've brought in that Blacks and Latinos are spitting out babies just isn't true, fertility rates for all women in the US have fallen dramatically so, ESPECIALLY minority women. It just simply isn't true. You're believing some narrative and I hope you'll stop. Honestly, just google it, tons of data and information about it. India has been overpopulated for a good time now. China would have been that way if they didn't have policies protecting against it. Historically, European countries went through this as well. This is called the Demographic transition. To just try to limit it down to race and culture is just intellectually lazy. Here is an actual video on it, short and simple. Being an actual African American with African people in my family I think my anecdotal evidence is going to be better than yours. The only thing African immigrants come over with is the same with most immigrants. They come over to prove themselves and they take nothing for granted. The immigrant overachiever ALSO does better than the white American too, Immigrants are kicking American kids butt in education, no matter where they come from. It's simply the drive they come to the country with. I'm not sure what you know about African American family values or 'honesty' honestly.
Let's put it this way. You can genuinely hold an opinion that African Americans are less intellegent than average, are born into single parent households more often, care about breeding and hate white people too much and you can believe it comes from a rational perspective which would imply that rational people who hold high level authority positions like judges, cops and bankers also hold these sentiments too. But you also have to consider that with these sentiments implicit biases occur where black people are given less a benefit of the doubt as white people and they notice this and this have a legitmate gripe which is a never ending vicious cycle. In summary .You believe African Americans don't have "strong family values", honor, care about only breeding, hate white people and you think you won't have any implicit bias when you see a African American walk by you? You don't think you will have a subconscious bias that might make some predisposed assumptions? Now imagine if a cop or bank lender held those presuppositions. Now imagine black people knowing that people of authority hold these presuppositions.
I get no joy from discrimination I work with everyone I can because it hurts me financially to be racist. I give as many opportunities as I can to a person on their character, don't care about race. All I have done is point out how victim blamers in general can help themselves. Something the OP of this thread is too scared to point out, instead focusing on the evil white man. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...on-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/ "Just because you can have a baby, it doesn't mean you should," Lemon said. "Especially without planning for one or getting married first. More than 72 percent of children in the African-American community are born out of wedlock. That means absent fathers. And the studies show that lack of a male role model is an express train right to prison and the cycle continues." Race - percent of births considered non marital Asian Americans - 17 percent Non hispanic whites - 29 percent Hispanics - 53 percent Non hispanic blacks - 73 percent If you are too naive to accept these facts as something that hurts certain minorities, then your problem is stupidity. And no amount of white guilting will help you with that.
Out of wedlock doesn't mean without a father, in fact, none of those studies show absent fathers at all so that number is lower than 73 percent, which even politifact says. I should know. I've lived with and known my dad all my life, he never married my mom, yet I'm sure I'm represented in that study. So, where are the studies on African Americans not being honest? That's something YOU said too, wasn't it?
I posted the stats below. It hurts the community when you don't look in the mirror and say "STOP". Am I financially secure? Do I need 4 kids with no male figures around? Unfortunately, 3/4 of kids are born outside of families. So, what you or I think about family values doesn't matter. But African immigrants certainly don't think too highly of a non marital approach to it.
You keep on regurgitating the same data. Yes black people are raised in single parent households at higher rates. We all know this. I don't want to even begin to ask you why you think this js? I mean it can't be from the 300 years of slavery and 100 years of Jim Crow laws along with the massive imprisoment of non violent drug offenders with the "war on drug" after the Civil Rights era that could lead to that predicament. But you hold these sentiments about black people. No one is saying that you aren't willing to work with black people. However that doesn't mean you might not hold alight biases or judgments when you see a black person walk by you. You might hold some preconcieved notions and assumptions especially when you love regurgitating the same stats over and over. Now imagine law enforcement holding these preconcieved biases, or judges or bank lenders, or teachers etc. No one states that you hold "joy" in discrimination. However you do old strong opinions about black people from them being dishonest to only caring about breeding. So yes, you hold presuppositions about black people. It might take you an extra minutes to trust a black person or give him the befefit of the doubt that you would instantly give someone else and it would be mostly subconscious. If you don't think that your opinions of African Americans in general dont result in subconscious bias, you are naive. And if you believe your sentiments to be rational, that means you believe a cop who holds these sentiments to be rational.
Honest with yourself. If lying to others was inferred, it was a mistake. I apologize for offending because the point was about raising kids. Do you disagree with Don Lemon? Your example doesn't change anything. The stats show what the stats show, and ultimately, it hurts the community. Right now you're refusing to take accountability over: Racial or ethnic group Children in single-parent families Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders 17 percent Non-Hispanic whites 25 percent Non-Hispanic blacks 67 percent That is a huge disparity. Systematic racism was a huge problem in the 20th century, but is it really the leading factor in keeping African Americans struggling today? I have to agree with the article. It hurts millenials to be racist. They want to work with whoever helps their bottom line.
Poverty and a lack of education are more often inherited than not. Poor communities that became poor because of 400 years of systemic racial segregation and racist policies that force funneled black people in to **** funded schools will have long lasting effects that won't be completely erased within half a generation.
No. You are off and putting words in my mouth to fit your narrative. Stats are stats and if you look at the cycle poor minorities deal with, referencing 300 years of slavery is not going to help anything. Take accountability, be honest with yourself and honest with whether you should have kids, and give yourself the best odds because people around you want you to do well. You can blame others all you want, the bad schools, the stinky lasagna, but nothing changes unless you give yourself the best odds.
You keep on bringing up the notion of "working with people". No one is claiming that you don't want to work with black people. We are stating that the strong opinions you have towards black people if held by a large portion of people of authority like law enforcement or the bankers will generate in implicit biases that might subconsciously effect their decion making with presuppositions rather than individual merit. We see this with bank loan applications where minorites especially Latinos and Blacks with similar credit history and income as a correspondening white person will have a higher interest rate offer.
