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Who has been worst president in last 50 years?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Air Langhi, May 8, 2008.

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Worst President?

  1. Eisenhower

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    0.0%
  2. Kennedy

    2.1%
  3. Johnson

    1.4%
  4. Nixon

    4.9%
  5. Ford

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  6. Carter

    16.2%
  7. Reagan

    0.7%
  8. Bush 1

    1.4%
  9. Clinton

    4.2%
  10. Bush 2

    69.0%
  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Hmmm... kinda like the libs and Obama blaming the Bush Administration for the price of oil?


    HYPOCRISY
     
  2. thumbs

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    I'm a moderate conservative who believes you don't know what you are talking about. Carter single-handedly converted me to Republicanism. He was weak and vacillating and the country hated him for it. Hence, one term and laid the groundwork for GOP dominance for years to come.

    Nixon got us out of the Vietnam soup, but he did so at the cost of hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese. It was not our best time.
     
  3. weslinder

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    The War on Poverty was an abject failure. Poverty, however arbitrarily defined, declined relatively steadily from the founding of the United States to the Johnson Administration, and has remained relatively constant since. When Reagan said, "We fought poverty and poverty won, he was dead on."

    The details aren't particularly important, though. The crippled economy of the 1970s is a direct result of the guns and butter of the Johnson Administration. Johnson's Vietnam War (blaming it on Truman or Eisenhower or Kennedy is like blaming HW or Clinton for the mess in Iraq), his War on Poverty, his Great Society, and his removal of the dollar from the partial gold standard, combined to destroy one of the longest periods of prosperity we've had as a nation.


    Prices that we are paying today for Johnson's Policies:

    By subsidizing single-motherhood, the Great Society has done horrible damage to the American family, concentrated especially on African Americans.

    Johnson started the War on Drugs, which has contributed to regional instability, created huge markets for organized crime, incarcerated a ridiculous number of non-violent offenders, many of whom were productive members of society, and not reduced drug addiction one bit.


    If you want to say that Johnson can pass the buck on something to the political climate, it's the Civil Rights Legislation. Johnson fought and debated strongly against Civil Rights legislation for 2 decades, and as an opportunist knew that he could make huge gains for his party by supporting it as President.
     
  4. thumbs

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    How can you make that assessment? Give us some reasons why you could come to this conclusion.
     
  5. weslinder

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    No, but growing up as a Texan political junky, I was enthralled by Johnson, and read everything I could about him.
     
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    LBJ laid out the broad objectives, but , granted, most of the programs were taken over by bureaucrats who saw all the opportunities for pork.
     
  7. weslinder

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    Government programs are always run that way. Having good ideals is not an excuse for putting in the framework for a mess.
     
  8. rhester

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    I voted Clinton only because the obvious answer was Bush but the truth is that most of them were equally bad.

    Johnson, Carter, Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2 were all horrible, really horrible.

    Andrew Jackson did some good things. :D
     
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    At age 20, I actually had a short conversation with him at a barbecue at his ranch. He was enormously personable.
     
  10. thumbs

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    Franklin D. Roosevelt had the same problem. I guess he was a poor President too.
     
  11. weslinder

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    Roosevelt was a great commander-in-chief. I'll leave it at that.
     
  12. Lil Pun

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    I've only been alive for 4 of them and only really cared about politics since 2 of them have been in office. My vote goes to W.
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    the ron paul guys don't let up do they, most were pretty bad?
     
  14. SamFisher

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    Ironic that he gets all the blame and none of the credit for this when it really should be vice versa.

    Stagflation was caused, in large part, by oil shocks of the early 70's and other macro-economic phenomenon.

    Stagflation ended, to the extent it can be credited to any one person, due to the monetary policy of Fed Chairman Paul Volcker - appointed by, guess who....Jimmy Carter.
     
  15. plcmts17

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    Yes, attack the messenger. You can believe what you want, it doesn't change the fact that you didn't even try to respond to the points I brought up. Just typical republican mudslinging, change the subject and smoke and mirrors.

    If Carter was as hated as you claim, how come republicans didn't take the house or senate in 1980? how about 1982? Oh yeah I forgot, you said "for years to come" which could be next year or a 100 years from now.
     
  16. rhadamanthus

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    The hilarious irony being that Reagen than reasserted and strengthened the war on drugs. Guess who won that?
     
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    It's easy to shoot the messenger when the messenger loses the message. For example, both parties were culpable for the 1973 oil crisis -- the Democrats controlled the House and Senate IIRC. Also, I was a conservative (John Connally style) Democrat up until 1980. Well, no, that's not entirely true since I did vote for Richard Nixon in 1968 and 1972 but still a conservative Democrat at heart. Incidentally, Connally and LBJ were great friends, despite Connally crossing the aisle.
     
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  18. weslinder

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    Just like Terror is winning the War on Terror.

    DOOMED TO REPEAT
     
  19. weslinder

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    Hey, I kinda think Coolidge was pretty good.
     
  20. plcmts17

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    There, fixed it for you.

    But at least you admit to being politically duplicitous. Kind of makes it hard for me to believe you know what you're talking about.
     

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