We just dont have 2 players we got Battier, Head, Alston, and Snyder. CD said there will be more but I also agree with u that I dont want Howard as the starting PF but u never know Adrian Griffin was the starting SG for a team that went to the finals . i think if we split the MLE between two solid players and use the Exception we have a good team that can compete. Maybe with a trade we can be dangerous.
Hayes isn't that much of an offensive liability, in my opinion. He gets offensive rebounds, generally finishes on his opportunities around the basket, doesn't turn the ball over, and is pretty good with deflections/steals on the other end which can result in fast breaks. If he's on the floor along with Yao and McGrady, they will be doing the bulk of the scoring anyways, so he can just concentrate on playing his small role very well. That's one reason I think he'd be better suited playing in the starting lineup along with those guys, as opposed to entering the game with the second unit when the go to guys are resting.
yao isn't a great rebounder and neither is howard. battier or hayes won't solve this. the only way to become a decent rebounding team is to get chris wilcox. otherwise we're going to lose A TON OF GAMES because we're getting pounded on the boards. now if we just had one more asset to trade to get some rebounding help...
How did Miami lead the league in rebounding margin last year, especially with an oft injured Shaq and Wade? Haslem, Walker, Posey, and Mourning? We were 13th in the league last year with Yao and McGrady missing plenty of time. Those two alone will both decrease the number of defensive rebounds due to missed shots for our opponents and increase the number of defensive rebounds at the other. Compare Hayes to what Swift brough on the boards and we will at least see an increase off the bench there. We could go larger with Battier at the three and McGrady at the four and that would make us an even longer rebounding unit. But I guess if you want to make the argument A) We cannot win unless we're a better rebounding team, B) Only Chris Wilcox will make us a better rebounding team, therefore C) We cannot be a better team unless we have Chris Wilcox, then go ahead and have fun. But before you complete that little syllogism, make sure you ask the Clippers how much Wilcox helped them on the boards. And for what it's worth, we still have a TE and MLE to use, so I highly doubt we do not add another decent rebounder and post defender to the mix.
Thanks Mr. Morey. Hey this is one of the few areas where you and I seem to agree. We need to get the announcers at TC to play Purple Haze by Hendrix whenever Chucky goes in the game or does something terrific. And remember if Novak and Hayes are willing to take the blow by fouls, which Juwan is not, then Yao doesn't get them. Another FA big man to be added. Hmmmm gotta go look at 82games.com and see who you are negotiating to get.
Shortly after we resigned Chuck Hayes, JVG did an interview on 610 A.M. where he liberally complimented Hayes rebounding and finishing skills around the basket. He attributed them to his desire, quick jumping ability and mostly to his underrated physical strength. He specifically said that Chuck Hayes was deceptively strong. What ever the reasons, I'm happy he is resigned because we all saw that he made a difference in alot of the games when he came on the court.
No offense, but mentioning Chuck Hayes and Dennis Rodman in the same breath is insane. Teams focused on keeping Rodman off the boards and still they couldn't stop him from winning the rebounding title year after year. Rodman is in another class compared to Hayes, who has only played a little more than half an NBA season.
Do you recall where Rodman came from? Some small school in Oklahoma where he never played basketball in high school but sprouted nine inches afterwards. He was a second-rounder who did little as a rookie, improved immensely the next year, then became known as a defensive and rebounding force. While I recognize that Rodman wound up becoming a dominant player, it's not like that happened all of a sudden out of college. It took his several years as a part-time starter and rotational player behind Mahorn, Salley, and Dantley before he ever became a consistent threat. Granted, I don't expect Hayes to ever reach that level, but I don't think you can judge Hayes by his rookie season when it is fairly comparable to Rodman's first year (especiall on the boards).
None taken, I am just making a prediction, I hope Chuck gets the minutes to prove it. If you watch him carefully, he is always at where the rebound is. In Rodman's forth year, he averaged 9.7r/game with 30 minutes playing time. Chuck has 4.5 per 13 minutes. Chuck will be produce rebound if given the minutes and make the jump to 15+ per game if he can become a starter and average 35+ minutes. He knows how to rebound, just needs to improve other aspects of his game to gain minutes. Dennis Rodman YEAR G GS MPG FG% OFF DEF RPG *86-87 77 1 15 0.545 2.1 2.2 4.3 *87-88 82 32 26.2 0.561 3.9 4.8 8.7 *88-89 82 8 26.9 0.595 4 5.4 9.4 *89-90 82 43 29 0.581 4.1 5.6 9.7 *90-91 82 77 33.5 0.493 4.4 8.1 12.5 *91-92 82 80 40.3 0.539 6.4 12.3 18.7 *92-93 62 55 38.9 0.427 5.9 12.3 18.3 *93-94 79 51 37.8 0.534 5.7 11.6 17.3 *94-95 49 26 32 0.571 5.6 11.2 16.8 *95-96 64 57 32.6 0.48 5.6 9.3 14.9 *96-97 55 54 35.4 0.448 5.8 10.2 16.1 *97-98 80 66 35.7 0.431 5.3 9.8 15 *98-99 23 11 28.6 0.348 2.7 8.5 11.2 *99-00 12 12 32.4 0.387 4 10.3 14.3 *Career 911 573 31.7 0.521 4.8 8.4 13.1 Chuck Hayes YEAR G GS MPG FG% OFF DEF RPG *05-06 40 0 13.4 0.562 1.7 2.8 4.5
you might be taken more seriously if you don't exaggerate so much. Yao is a very good if not great rebounder relative to his position; in the top 3. maybe he is disappointing for a 7' 6" phenom, but there were less than 10 players in the entire NBA averaging over 10 rebounds a game last year and most of them played more minutes than Yao. and i'm not even factoring how he played after the All-Star break. JHO is a career 7-8 rebounder. that's actually above average for starting PF's. far from worthless (at least as far as rebounding is concerned). believe it or not Alston is in the top 10 for rebounding PG's (true PG's anyway as opposed to Lebron James, Dwyane Wade or even Steve Francis). at 4.1 RPG, he slightly edged Francis. only Kidd (7.3) and Paul (5.1) were able to get > 5 RPG with Kidd getting 7.3 RPG. Alston's average is higher than even most combo guards and SG's. TMac is in the top 3 for starting SF's, and in the top 5 for GF's, and even in the top 10 for tweener forwards. you were quite accurate about Battier though. overall, the Rockets were above average in team rebounding. they collected more rebounds than they gave up. that was with Head and Wesley playing major minutes in the backcourt and Yao, Tmac and Alston (the Rockets best three rebounders at their respective positions) out for 79 games between the three. yet the Rockets were not exactly terrible.
A is my argument, i just think that options for rebounding are limited. i guess ely? not sure who all is left, but it doesn't look promising. pryzbilla woulda been sweet. wilcox would be great, we at least know what he's capable of. when did any of our PFs last season have a game like chris wilcox did after he went to seattle? that would be hard to find. he was stuck behind brand... who's hella better than pau or lorenzen (stro comparison). when it's all said and done, championship teams' role players never look great until they help propel their teams to a title (list a mile long starting with: tay prince, ron harper, tony parker, horry even...) maybe chuck hayes and juwon will show us a thing or two, but it hasn't happened yet and i say we get younger if nothing else...
I think with the current team assembled and without injuries, we will outrebound our opponents 65% of the time conservatively. First of all, Chuck Hayes. Secondly, Yao is going to give us 10 per this year. McGrady, Battier, and Rafer chipping in. Snyder may be a surprise. Yao-20 McGrady-6 Battier-5 Howard-6 Hayes-5 Rafer-3 Snyder-??? Head-??? There's 45 boards right there and that is being conservative on Chuckie, basically giving him last year's minutes, and with Howard continuing downhill and only grabbing 6 boards based on last year's minutes and subtracting one board. If Snyder and Head give us a couple boards a piece that puts us at 49 a game. We do not have a rebounding problem. And if our shooting improves, which it almost has to, our rebounding plus minus will be even more in our favor.
20 boards?....I hope those are rebound stats that you came up with for one game because that is definitely too high of an expectation for Yao's rebounding average. The others seem fairly accurate though. Your expectations show that Battier is NOT the answer at the 4. The Rockets need to get Battie, Wright, or Ely if they're going to keep Howard. Otherwise, they need to trade Howard for a rebound specialist. Man that 4 spot is a mess, why'd they let go of Stro
I think Yao is ready to start giving about 12-16 rebounds a night. I know a lot of members here probably doubt that, but I think Yao finally figured out the rebounding thing. If he plays 38 minutes which is supposedly the goal, he could certainly put up some huge numbers I believe. I think we will see a huge jump in his rebounding numbers.
Sorry guys, I meant 10. Couldn't figure out how those numbers kept coming up so high. Distracted watching war footage. Yao-10 TMac-6 Battier-5 Howard-6 Hayes-6 Rafer-3 Rest..... We should easly get 45 boards or more per game. If we get the shooting percentages, we will win the boards most of the time.
