Who Gets What in the LA, Minny, Pacer Trade Scenario?

Same one TMac uses.

 

Yea, that's right -- no way the Celtics pull off that deal if they only get Jermaine. Jefferson is a rising star. Post all star he was putting up 23 and 12.

 

actually 20 points and 12 rebs a game. But still

 

That the T-Mac and Yao combo is too good.

 

KG doesnt make excuses, thats Tmac

 

I saw this in a Pacers forum as an idea more palatable to the Celtics (who won't part with Al Jefferson):

CELTICS OUT:T. Ratlif, W. Szczerbiak. S. Telfair, D. West, #5
CELTICS IN:J. O'Neal, J. Tinsley

PACERS OUT: J. O'Neal, J. Tinsley, O. Greene
PACERS IN: L. Odom, A. Bynum, D. West, W. Szczerbiak

LAKERS OUT: L. Odom, A. Bynum, K. Brown, J. Farmar, #19
LAKERS IN: K. Garnett, T. Hudson, O. Greene

TWOLVES OUT: K. Garnett, T. Hudson
TWOLVES IN: #5, #19, S. Telfair, T. Ratliff, K. Brown, V. Radmonovich

Why the CELTICS do this...
Same reasons as usual: they get a dominant vet to play with Pierce and the rising Jefferson. They give up young prospects where they have another young prospect (PG - Rondo) and they get either a playoff tested starter or probably the best backup PG in the league in Tinsley. They get all this by giving up two prospects where they have another in place, they keep Jefferson, Green, Perkins and Pierce and give up malcontent wally, exp and injured theo and a pick they don't want.

CELTICS LINEUP
Rondo / Tinsley
Green / Ray
Pierce / Scalabrine
O'Neal / Gomes
Jefferson / Perkins

Why the PACERS do this...
Get the big prospect they want (Bynum), a nice PG prospect (West), the 'star' (Odom) and an outside shot who has size but can play SG (Wally). Wally and Odom have shorter contracts (2yrs) and after the second season we'd have around $27mil available. We give up an allstar in O'Neal to a conference team as well as a starting-caliber PG who we've wanted to move and a PG prospect. We don't get the draft pick we want but between Delonte and Bynum we've got great pieces to add to our current core.

PACERS LINEUP
West / Daniels / Armstrong
Szczerbiak / Daniels / Dunleavy
Granger / Dunleavy / Williams
Odom / Murphy / Diogu
Bynum / Foster / Harrison

Why the LAKERS do this...
They get the big ticket item they want to make kobe happy. Plus they get a veterant shooting PG and a PG prospect for depth. They give up the most but also get the most out of the deal. Re-sign Walton and Mihm, and they've got a solid lineup. Trading Walton, Mihm and/or Evans are still on the table for them to improve other positions (artest perhaps).

LAKERS LINEUP
Hudson / Farmar
Bryant / Vujacic
Walton / Evans
Garnett / Cook
Mihm / Turiaf

Why the TWOLVES do this...
The Wolves go into total rebuilding mode and what better way to do it than with three 1st round picks. They have a ton of different ways to use them. And a lot can happen as the result of one draft (see 2006 - Trailblazers). The picks could net them some very nice prospects, could trade some of their undesirables and net some new parts / lower picks, etc... the list goes on. Then they have other pieces they can trade (Davis and his exp.)... but if they keep davis they will have MEGA cap room... (Davis = $6,817,500, Brown = $9,075,000, Ratliff = $11,666,666, Telfair = $2,562,425 ... grand total = $30,121,591). I think I see enough reason for them to bite.

TWOLVES LINEUP
Foye / Telfair / Jaric
Davis / Jaric
Hassell / McCants / Radmonovich
Howard / Smith / Radmonovich
Blount / Brown / Madsen
then #5, 7, 19


probably too big to be reasonable, but it makes some sense.
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Odom has a 1st rate body paired with a 3rd rate heart. Lakers would be lucky dishing him off.

 

Thank You Kelley..

People in LA are obsessed with with this KG crap and have been for years. Say LA inquired about him and they all spasm like KG negotiated his own deal and is in the middle of the town with an LA jersey on.

The media out here has been awful about the entire story, choosing to bloat myopia rather than go on the facts.

No team is going to allow the Lakers to butt rape them especially 3 Ex Boston Celtics.

 

No way.

Celtics was hesitant of giving up Al Jefferson to get KG. Theres no way in hell they're gonna give up Al Jefferson for freaking Jermaine O'neal. Plus give them the #5.

Even Al Jefferson for Jermaine O'neal straight up would be a OUTRAGEOUS.

 

here's a very fundamental problem with KG going to the lakers:

If LA would say: "You know aside from Kobe, take whatever you like: any combination of players, picks, salary cap relief, cash, dancegirls, Dr. Buss's old tupees, Phil Jackson's old hips, signed Jack Nicholson posters, or whatever" it still is only 40 percent of KG's value. Bringing a third, fourth or fifth team doesn't make any difference, as they would be the ones absorbing LA's garbage.

Odom and Bynam are intruging at best and overpaid balast at worst. LO is an injury-prone, ageing dude with issues. "Prospects" as Bynam have come and gone in the NBA without anyone noticing. His ceiling is somewhere around the "Benoit Benjamin/Elden Cambpell" level, while most likely comparison is a less obnoxious Jerome James.

The Lakers have nothing else, really. In any scenario they get KG and keep Kobe, somebody will get screwed big time.

 

What is most humorous in all of this is the perceived value of one Andrew Bynum. I guess if you turn down enough trade offers for any complete scrub (under 23 and over 6'10), his trade value too can grow to being that of satisfying 1/3 of a trade in potentially bringing in the 2nd greatest power forward of his generation (where another third is a weak #19 pick). Ridiculous.

I guess I would suggest we do the same with Novak but then again, half of this board would want to hold on to him anyways regardless of this plot.

 

I can't believe the Timberwolves are even considering the Lakers' package. Lamar Odom doesn't even have the impact of an Antawn Jamison, both of them soft players with albatross contracts. You can't consider him an asset on a rebuilding team because of his contract. Andrew Bynum is all Hollywood hype, he really hasn't shown half the promise Kupchak claims to see in him.

What this could mean is that teams like Chicago and Phoenix aren't willing to gut their teams for Garnett, causing desperation on the part of McHale. At the very least the Lakers should be forced to take on all the horrible contracts in Minnesota (Mark Blount, Marko Jaric, Troy Hudson).

 

Is it safe to say McHale doesn't have the slightest clue what he is doing? He has mad one bad decision after another, constantly. If I was head of the T'Wolves organization, I would've already gave him his one-way ticket out of town.

This is a classic case of great players that shouldn't be in personnel positions after their career on the court is over.

 

Hehehe

 

Damn, I hope they don't Garnett with Kobe on the Lakers, if they got a decent PG, Phil Jackson will probably get them at leat 1 or 2 titles, another great West team for the Rockets to deal with.

 

I don't think I would trade Jefferson at all. From what I saw of him last yr, he played very, very well, and looks like he could be a superstar. Boston has a lot of talent. If they draft a guy like Conley to run the team at PG, they could be a beast of a team in a few yrs. They also need a coach that doesn't suck like Doc Rivers.

Jefferson
Gomes
Green
Pierce
West
#5 pick - Conley??
and others

 

I forgot about Rajon Rondo, he is very young and talented. Sczerbiak off the bench, Tony Allen.

I like the pieces they have, I wouldn't blow all of that talent on J O'Neal or even Garnett. Those deals make more sense for LA, because they need to win now with Kobe and Phil.

 

That's ridiculous, that sounds like Kobe. Odom is about as good as a forward can be without much of a natural jumpshot or lower body strength. Odom has smarts and heart and does as much for his team as possible.

In these deals Minny gets hosed. Chi & Phx would have a lot more to offer.

Al Jefferson had an excellent statistical stretch on a terrible team in tank mode. Who is to say he isn't Zach Randolph part 2. Promising yes, but I wouldn't put him in Deng or Amare's class yet for instance.

I would hold out better than the #5 pick and Al J for KG , and BTW VR has 3 more big paycheck years coming.

 

Well, T-Mac also isn't a former league MVP......

 

Well, didn't you hear that Detroit was offering Chauncey for Rafer Alston and Novak and Rockets turned them down, becuase they didn't want to include him? This is true.