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Who gets more credit -- Adelman or Morey?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by durvasa, Nov 16, 2009.

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Who gets more credit for our success?

  1. Rick Adelman

    89 vote(s)
    22.9%
  2. Daryl Morey

    89 vote(s)
    22.9%
  3. They compliment eachother (cop out)

    211 vote(s)
    54.2%
  1. trugoy

    trugoy Member

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    when teams win, it's the GM taking the credit, when teams lose, it's the coach who takes the blame.
     
  2. xiki

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    Man, if they don't work in sync then Rox sink and stink. It appears to be a synergistic interrelation.
     
  3. Melechesh

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    Rick Adelman rules, but I know he will always be underappreciated.
     
  4. roslolian

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    I may be the only one thinking this but I think RA and don't really mesh well. IMHO its like having Al Jefferson and Kevin Love in the same roster; they're both quality pieces but they don't really fit together. My main reason for this is RA doesn't like to play a lot of guys at once. He likes to stick to 8-9 man rotation for the game, and that kinda' sucks when you have a team whose 10-12 guys are as good as your 8-9. This already happened last year when Dikembe Mutombo didn't get any PT until Yao got injured, and it happened this year again when after tearing up preseason and providing blocks and rebs galore Pops didn't get any burn. Please understand though I thinK RA is one of the best coaches around, its just for a guy like him you want a top-heavy team (like really good 6 players the rest are crap), but with someone like DM you'd have a full roster of talent.

    As to the vote its gotta be DM hands down. There are a lot of good coaches in the league, but DM is like a GM superstar, there's no one I'd take over him.
     
  5. rockets119

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    its always the GM
    coaching is overrated
    look at mike brown in cleveland, what did he do last year to win coach of the year, replace him with dick bevetta they'll still win 66 games
     
  6. durvasa

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    "Whatever success the Rockets may achieve this season in terms of wins, who do give more credit to?"
     
  7. KingCheetah

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    This is pure Adelman making these guys work together -- successfully.
     
  8. durvasa

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    I'm not sure about the conclusions you're drawing, but I do think you're approaching this topic in the right way as far as the type of scenarios you bring up.

    Questions for us to consider:

    Take a random coach, and pair him with Morey. How successful would that team be? Now, take a random GM, and pair him with Adelman. How successful would that team be?
     
  9. Hayesfan

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    It's sort of hard to decide this because you don't have enough data on Morey's history to make an accurate hypothesis. We know that when Adelman has talent he creates a winning combination, when he doesn't... i.e. Golden State, then he can't.

    At this point you can't tell if Morey could successfully work with someone else. He worked okay with JVG, but that was only one season... again.. not enough data.

    I do believe that a coach has a lot to do with a team's success, but I still think that it's more important to have the RIGHT personnel rather than just a big conglomerate of talent... ie Memphis... and only a good GM (and staff) can find that.
     
  10. deshen

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    Exactly, Besides, Coach adelman has a proven history of success. He is underrated and underappreciated by most of the clutchfans.
     
  11. flamingdts

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    He is underrated in NBA, not to the Rockets.

    I love the fact that he is underrated though. Every realistic fan in the NBA sees us as the hustling team lacking talent but not heart. We're the classy underdogs, and because of that people tend to support us instead. I mean how can you hate on the Houston Rockets with their current lineup? No McGrady, no Yao, just all out hustle and hardwork.
     
  12. durvasa

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    Really, this thread is probably oversimplifying things. Morey isn't solely responsible for the player acquisition. He's got a team of analysts and scouts working with him. And a lot of those analysts/scouts work together with Adelman (and his coaches) to help come up with a solid game plan. With respect to player acquisition, Morey has said openly that Adelman's ability to get pieces to work together makes his job much easier (he doesn't have to focus as much on getting specific types of players that will fit a structured role).

    Given all the interactions and other factors, its hard to determine between Morey and Adelman who's more deserving of the credit. I just thought its interesting how, depending on who you listen to, either Morey is either doing a terrific job in finding players or Adelman is getting this team to perform well despite the players he has to work with.
     
  13. RocketRaccoon

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    When push comes to shove I'm going with this ^^^^ and pick Coach (although the majority is right, we need both for the Rockets to be good this year)

    But I would like to add: "Sure, my supplier can get me all the parts I need to build a computer but if I don't know how it all fits together, the parts stays on the shelf."
     
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    Do we even have the right personnel?

    only $35M can play
    big hole in the middle
    starting bench players like Hayes, Battier
    league's least talented roster
    no way to contend

    ---------if not for Adelman, this team will be realy realy bad.
     
  15. justtxyank

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    I give most of the credit to the coach in this case. Morey has done a good job getting players that Rick has coached up, but there is nothing particularly special about a lot of these players. In most cases a great portion of this roster would struggle on other teams. It has been Adelman that has put them in the positions to be successful. He preached it at the press conference day 1; the key to being successful is putting your players in positions that makes the game easier for them. That's what he has consistently tried to do. Buy into his system and the game is much easier. Getting players easier shots, using defenses that play to the team's strengths, etc. He's a great, great coach.

    Morey has done a good job, so this isn't to take away from him, but it isn't like he's gone out and gotten superstar talent that people didn't realize was that good. He's gone out and gotten talented players with glaring flaws in their games and Adelman has melded them into a unit that plays up the strengths of his players and hides as many of their weaknesses as possible.
     
  16. Dave_78

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    How would this happen when Morey is selecting the players?
     
  17. Dave_78

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    The team is loaded with nothing but hard working, team oriented, guys who have no ego and just want to win. How does it take any real skill to get them to work together? Adelman is an NBA coach so of course he has some skill in how to put together an offense but what is he really doing here that is so special?

    Is it his ability to keep Battier from getting into his usual gun and drug related issues off the court? Is it his ability to get the egocentric Aaron Brooks and Luis Scola to play within the team concept? Or is it that he finally got Chuck Hayes to embrace playing defense and stop taking so many jump shots?

    Seriously, the guy has been given a perfect team (from a mental aspect) that is also vastly underrated when it comes to talent.
     
  18. Artesticles

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    Blah blah blah. Same uninformed garbage from the JVG haters. Great logic. JVG not playing V-Span = JVG not playing any young players. He would LOVE to coach a guy like Lowry.
     
  19. justtxyank

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    Is it vastly underrated when it comes to talent though? I think most people know the strengths of these players, but also realize the flaws they have. It's easy to say the GM got players who would fit together, but this isn't like this is the first time Adelman has been able to get a roster to gel so well. Chuck Hayes would be a major liability for most teams if he were on the floor for significant minutes, and he was for the Rockets in the past.

    Morey has done a good job finding useful players with no real payroll flexibility and very few assets when he took over. For that he deserves a lot of credit. But it has been Adelman who has turned useful players into a team that can win as opposed to just play hard.
     
  20. Rockets9495

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    Morey for sure. Adelman doesn't do all that much
     

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