Agree with the first part of your sentence.. I think Vesely compares more to Kirilenko than Dirk or Randolph.
Yes, Batum is a much closer comparison than Dirk, Randolph of Kirilenko. Very similar to Batum, except taller and more athletic.
Guys gotta make a Jan Vesely thread instead of spamming this one. He won't be available for us, so there's no point of discussing. Concentrate on the mid 1st rounders please.
Can you explain why Batum is a better comparison than Kirilenko? Batum can actually shoot and has offensive moves. Vesly is a great defender and dunker with shaky handles and an inconsistent shot -- sounds like a young Andrei to me.
We can always trade up or trade for a high pick, specially in this years draft. So pretty much every player outside of Kyrie Irving and Derrick Williams (the only two considered can't miss prospects), is a possibility. Giving us reason to talk about them.
I wouldn't trade up. There are some good prospects in the later 1st round. I LOVE Jeremy Tyler. He can be had with Orlando's pick. I would trade our second rounder though to move up from 14 to 12 for a guy.
The draft is weak, lacks of potential stars (guaranteed stars), but thinking on the Rockets, I see the situation similar to last year's draft situation. There are a bunch of (very) interesting players from the second to the 10th-12th pick. That's why I see Morey getting another Patterson in the end, don't know how, don't know when, but I see the Rockets getting a good prospect. I don't see many diferences between a 4th pick and a good-very good 10th pick, and at the same time I'm confortable with Morey's ability, considering also the assets that he possesses. I think we will make a very good draft.
I both agree and disagree with this point (if that's even possible!). I think the key to this draft being so "weak" is that picks 3-10 or so are much weaker than in most other drafts. However, I think that the DEPTH of the draft (11-35) is not much worse than in any other year. That is why I think the Rockets could potentially get three (3) pretty decent players in this draft, although (a) I do not expect the guy they get at #14 to be nearly as good as Patterson (which is why I'd look to trade that pick, either up or out); and (b) I don't expect the Rockets to add 3 rookies to an already VERY young squad next year. Bottom line: I fully expect to be "happier" about whoever we get at #23 or #38 than who we get at #14. The first pick will likely be the "worst value" of the three. I sure hope I'm wrong, though.
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Interesting. The problem with these kinds of guys is you simply can't project what they will become. They don't have outstanding length. But they have nice, wide bodies. This player could become Oliver Miller or he could become Craig Smith or he could become an Elton Brand with a 3-point shot. Don't know if he has the mentality or drive though to get it done.
Sound like.........meaning you have never seen him play. By far, he is more similar to Batum than Kirilenko. A 6-11, more athletic Batum is a good comparison.
I'm still waiting for you to make your case? You didnt dispute what I said about Jan, you just reiterated the Batum comparison with nothing explaining why.
- I understand what you say (and I agree). My point is that we don't draft three rookies, and likely we end up drafting ahead of our current 14th pick. And because every single year some unexpected player/s falls a little bit... I expect Daryl to take advantage of it thanks to his assets (e.g., the other picks). - The young Kirilenko has more than two similarities with the current Vesely. I agree that the czech looks more like a perimeter player, but at the same time and like crash5179 has very well told you--> a 6-11 body with a wide frame... could be one day too much size/weight to defend smaller players. Kirilenko was also very athletic in his first years. We don't really know how Jan and the NBA teams can develope that body. I mean, Pau Gasol played as small forward in Barcelona... and today he's more a center than anything else. Vesely is right now a clear SF, but his future may depend on his physical development.
Every single time I explain anything about European players here I get trolled by people that have never seen them play and base everything on draftexpress.com. If one single thing I say goes against a word on that site I get trolled and clowned here. And then a bunch of people accuse me of being a liar and a troll. Some websites like NBA.com compared Vesely to Kirilenko and now all of a sudden it is considered a fact amongst NBA fans that have never seen him play. There is simply no way to discuss such matters with people that are like this. Sorry, but I'm not playing that game anymore. I am just telling it how it is with the European players and I am not explaining and getting into a big discussion about it to people that only watch NBA and disagree because of something they read on an American website, because all they do is troll and clown on me for no reason. It's just not worth it.
I wasn't trolling, I was honestly looking for your opinion. You seem to think I got the comparison from NBA.com, when I already explained why I felt the Andrei comparison fit Jan. Do you dispute my report about Jan's game? Athletic slasher that is an inconsistent shooter, shaky ball handler and good defender. Why does that remind you of Batum and not Kirilenko? It's possible to make your point without coming off like an ass -- you should try it.
I would like to see a video that demonstrates Jan's athletic ability. Out of the 5-6 games iIhave seen, and all his highlight clips, I have not seen anything remotely close to Blake Griffin or Josh Smith, and we won't even go as far as Lebron, Rose, or hell, even James White, Gerald Green and Stromile Swift throw down far nastier stuff. His fluidity seems more comparable to Ryan Bowen with a modest vertical... Jan's goofy flailing after his dunks is cool though...
He can jump.....and because he is soooooo long, it looks like he is jumping through the roof with his extension. He does remind me of Tom Chambers in this aspect. However, he appears slightly clutzy to me. And he's a twig. He's a good athlete. But to compare him to American born and bred athletes playing in the NBA is a joke. Griffin, Lebron, Rose are superior athletically no question. The question with Vesely is what skills does he have and can develop? Everything I've heard about this kid is that he's a gym rat, ferocious on the court, and determined to get to the top. I like his on-court moxy. But I don't see a jump shot yet. All I see is a guy that can slash and finish. But he is intriguing to say the least.
