Who do you want as starting PG next season: Lowry or Brooks?

How did Bonzi Wells work out? He killed in the playoffs the year before we got him.

Also, tell me how AB played last year in his first year in the playoffs? Oh, that's right, he shot the ball even worse than Kyle did this year.

 

AB is better at this moment, especially when Yao is not in the line up. Scoring is more importat in that case.

In the playoffs, AB outperfomred Lowry, but Lowry played more critical role in fist round, running the show when Rox came back in 4th quarter against Blazers eventually won by 1 point. That could be the deciding game in the series.

I feel Lowry has more potential. He can pass, he hustles, he defends, he rebounds, he draws charges, he steals. he has bigger size. In one word, he's not one dimensional. His biggest shortcomings are 3 point shooting and experience.

So if we don't make a trade and want to develop young PG, I hope it's Lowry. Of course he needs to shoot 3s much better first.

 

Bonzi? Ok, good luck with that one. Brooks produced more and the team had a better record when he started than when he didn't. Is there any more proof you need?

 

you don't know that for certain, and it isn't what's reflected in all the posts in this thread.

ab has amazing speed, but he's not the only one with that kinda speed.

ab has speed, but his approach has been "all-or-none" (kinda like your personality, lol) when he finally gets by his defender to the rim. i may be wrong, but i remember his shots being blocked more than his layups.

his shooting is good, but not THAT good %-wise.

when it comes to passing the ball, i am just tired of seeing his lazy zip passes which often lead to turnovers.

when it comes to making a decision under pressure, he's just turrible.

now at the age of 25, what huge potential can we see in him?

assuming mcgrady won't play another rockets game as widely speculated, we badly need a playmaker on the court in the starting lineup. lowry, though not a first class caliber pg either, is our best shot. (unless of course we bring in nash. )

gotta check the voting again. al gore vs bush kinda dead lock.

 

Sure. that's why there is such a thread.

How about let Lowry start for 40 games next season and see what he can do?

 

IBM, you know what people are basing it on. Both guys are young and unproven, but brooks is needed with yao because of the doughnut we have have at the 3. Thats why rafer works in orlando and not so much in houston. Its hard to have a guy like lowry and shane in the same linup unless you have some other explosive scorer's around them. If yao was shaq and scola was amare, i could see it, but they're not. Yao is a very good player and scola is a good player. Scola struggled offensively vs la because they didn't double yao. When teams dont double yao or play man and a half, 2 guys that struggle are scola and shane. If defenses do that again and you add lowry, its a wrap. Now we have 3 players struggling as starters.

 

Hey, you're the one who said you wanted a playoff guy over a regular season guy. Bonzi didn't do much in the regular season but averaged 23 ppg on 60% shooting in the playoffs the year before we got him. So I ask, how well did getting a "playoff" guy help us?

You haven't proven anything. Maybe if Lowry had started a handful of games for the Rockets then you could make that argument. But he didn't so you can't because you don't know if the team would have been better or worse with Lowry starting and AB being the spark plug off the bench.

For me it's real simple. I'm not saying Lowry is better than Brooks. But I think Yao clogs the lane when he's in the game. And if you want to maximize AB's offense effectiveness, it's better to let him work without Yao in the game. That and I'd rather see Lowry guard the other teams starting PG than Brooks.

 

Even with open 3s, defenders will be closing out on you. A low release point for a 6' guard is not a good thing. Go check out the scouting reports on Lowry. That was one of the scouts' biggest concerns before the draft.

I do think Lowry can improve his 3pt shot but he will still have trouble getting shots up when defenders are closing out on him. His high bball IQ will help to some extent but I do think if Lowry is starting next season, a lot more of his weaknesses will start to show, as is the case with most any player.

I don't even know what to say about the two 3s you are referencing from the end of last game. Nobody said Lowry couldn't hit any 3s.

 

what if lowry improves his shooting this summer, like what landry did last year? his form and the speed of release look very decent to me. easier that way than teaching stuff like court vision, etc.

 

ab a little shorter than lowry, eh? how's his release any higher than lowry's?

and in terms of the ability to draw fouls b/w the 2, it's almost like day and night. that was also one thing morey mentioned repeatedly when we acquired lowry.

 

Once again, I'm not saying I fully disagree with you but using the same selective stats you pulled in the other thread...

In the Portland series...

Brooks had 26 assists and 7 TOs.

Lowry had 10 assists and 9 TOs.

I saw the games and I know that Lowry is a very mutli-faceted player that can impact the game in more than one way, which is what he did. He was crucial in that Portland series like several other players. I just thought I'd use the same stats you used to slam Brooks for the Lakers series.

 

We need stability from starting PG.
And we need explosiveness from sixth man.

Start Lowry and give Brooks enough time from bench.
right?

 

No problem, AB was better than Lowry in this playoffs. I don't deny it.

My point is Lowry has more potential because of the multiple dimension game he has. He might be worth more development

 

Doesnt it also makes sense to move yao up the lane and unclog it to open you're offense up?

IBM, i hope lowry gets better because it makes the team better. You say what if lowry works on his 3 like landry, what if brooks get his mid game like kj in the 90's. How hard would it be to guard that guy?

 

I can't even believe you would ask that question.

Lowry may have the lowest release point in the entire league considering his height and technique. All the pre-draft scouts were pointing at the low release point of his jump shot. I think it was the number one area of concern.

Brooks has an extremely high release as well as a lot of elevation on his shots. No scouts listed that as a concern and all it takes is a little time on YouTube to see the vast difference in their shooting techniques since you somehow completely missed this obvious fact.

And, yes, Brooks is barely shorter than Lowry. Maybe an inch. And that isn't even considering reach and length. Brooks is 1 inch shorter than Paul who looks to me to be the exact same size as Lowry. Brooks' small frame makes him look shorter than he actually is. Lowry is also very short but he's stocky.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brooks has a higher standing reach and wingspan than Lowry. Brooks has unusually long arms and big hands for his height.

Check out the pre-draft measurements. Brooks actually has the same standing reach and longer wingspan than Chris Paul. Brooks' bigger physical limitation is weight. His poor playmaking is more in between the ears than a physical issue. Plenty of small guards over the years have been elite playmakers, including one of the best ever in Chris Paul. Brevin Knight is another example of a guy who is actually smaller than Brooks.

 

63 vs 63

 

ibm,

Here is a post from a month or so ago referencing the pre-draft measurements for Brooks and a few other small players, including Nelson and Paul: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=4402285&postcount=12

Unless you think Lowry is taller than Paul, the height difference between Brooks and Lowry is marginal. Lowry wasn't measured apparenlty in pre-draft so I don't know where to find his exact numbers. Strength is the real physical difference between Brooks and Lowry. Brooks is probably even longer, which is more important than height in many respects.

 

hmm... learned something there.

but do you really think a few inches in release makes that big of a difference?

and of course it's b/w the ears for ab. that's why i said it's easier for lowry to improve his shooting than to teach ab stuff.

 

Hey, I'm not even trying to defend Brooks. I was just pointing out one legitimate weakness in Lowry's game. There is no denying Lowry is the more complete player.

Yes, release point is very important. I will look for some of the scouting reports tomorrow to show you what they were saying.

I also agree that Lowry can become a more efficient shooter much more easily than Brooks can improve on his weaknesses. I don't think Lowry will be able to make big adjustments to his release point though. That will always be a weakness. And he won't grow to 6'8 like Battier where he can get away with it as easily.

Brooks' only chance to become a legit starter in this league, for any team, is to become a prolific and efficient scorer while at least marginally improving his non-scoring related skills, i.e., decision-making, passing, defense, etc... He will always be a scoring PG but that is OK if you are at least decent at the other responsibilities that come with the position. Right now, Brooks isn't nearly good enough at either scoring or doing those other things. I wouldn't say it's impossible that he could but only time will tell.

The Parker comparisons are ridiculous at this point but that is pretty much what Brooks has to become like to be starting material. It's unlikely but not impossible.

 

good points there. and i believe i understood all along where you stand on ab.

an unrelated question - release is important. but which one is more important? height of release or the speed of release? i thought novak was one of the best shooters in the entire league as he's got a quick release; wafer's jumper isn't shabby and his release is really high, yet he has a slow release (due to him doing that silly 1-2 thing).