Yep, I either meant all that, or I meant that you can't make every American have health insurance unless the taxpayers are footing the bill for millions of people. it was definitely one of those two things.
God forbid American tax dollars should go to saving American lives when we're already spending so much killing Iraqis. Once again, "pro-life" you are not.
The American consumer is being raped by the insurance industry. It's not about "taxpayers are footing the bill for millions of people," in my opinion, but about insuring Americans have access to affordable insurance. I gave a couple of examples earlier that were ignored, but I see it all the time. Millions of those uninsured are members of the middle class. They don't want "free" health insurance... they want access to affordable insurance. The only reason they can't get it is a massive, on-going campaign by the industry to convince people like you, with all due respect, that it is socialized medicine, ala Soviet Union circa 1960. They spend millions to get out that message and prevent Congress from doing something about price gouging. They have literally thousands of lobbyists on their payroll. Yes, a big part of the problem is that Congress allows itself to be influenced, but a major influence is the opinion of the public. If the public buys into the insurance industry's message, as you have, that has a major impact on preventing reform. In my earlier post, when I said I had a good friend in Texas that left his state insured, private insurance industry coverage in Boston, pushed through by a Republican governor, and found the only insurance he could get was a tier in the state pool of selected insurance companies that would cost him, not him and his family, but just him, $2500 a month, I wasn't kidding. I saw it on the offical website. That is not offering affordable insurance to Texans, but insuring that Texans with health problems, even if perfectly treatable with medication, WILL NOT be able to get insurance, even if they are upper middle class. I'm repeating myself. It's like talking to a brick wall. One built by the insurance industry. D&D. Attempt Civility! Impeach Bush.
My views aside, that has nothing to with the discussion at hand, which is whether or not it is legitimate to call Hillary's health care plan some form of socialized medicine. Also, I have never made any secret of the fact that I am in favor of the war in Iraq. Pro-life has a certain meaning in the context of American political discussion (namely, being against abortion), that applies to me. I never said I was against all forms of killing or that I would spare no expense for the preservation of human life. In fact, I don't know of anyone who meets those standards. Saying I am not pro-life would be like me saying you are not pro choice because you are for forcing taxpayers to subsidize health care for millions of Americans. It might technically be true, but it is simply not the way the term is commonly used. Instead, I'll go ahead and be a war mongering fascist and you can continue being a freedom hating communist. Deal? It's nice that you can come up with anecdotal evidence (the best kind of evidence, don't you know) that supports a position that the reason that there are 45 million uninsured Americans has nothing to do with people choosing not to purchase health insurance, but rather with all of them facing prices that they cannot possibly afford. Too bad the average monthly premium is much much lower than $2500 per month. I looked online for about 1 minute without doing any comparison shopping and found a plan that would cost me $171 per month. I guess the health crisis is solved now that I have shown anecdotal evidence of affordable health insurance. I choose not to buy health insurance because I would rather just pay for my health care as and when I need it, and that has worked fine for me including a minor surgery. Sure there are problems with the health care system now, but I don't think subsidizing it with taxpayer money is the way to go. I don't think the government artificially imposing price caps is the way to go either. If Medicare were solvent, I would suggest just opening that up to everyone. In fact, how about just raising the price of Medicare until it is solvent, making it optional to pay into it, and then opening it up to everyone, with private insurance free to compete? How is that for a health care plan?
ya wanna point me to that cheap insurance? I havent been insured since I was 18 and living with my father. what alot of folks like you dont realize is how many of us are self employed or employed by small companies that cant afford to pay for insurance for their employees. With the exception of a short period of time I worked at a dealership, I have been a 1099 contractor for all of my working life.....no insurance, no benefits....barely making more than minimum wage at most jobs. Even now, when Im the most comfortable I have been financially in years, barely make 20K a year. You think I can afford insurance on that? yea right like was stated earlier, I dont want anyone to give me crap, just make it affordable, the prices of medical care at this point are outrageous and crippling to a middle class family.
