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Who Breaks Out? Who Flops?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by torque, May 4, 2012.

  1. REEKO_HTOWN

    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Can we get DD to come in here and say they'll all flop?

    It's the best thing we can do for the team.
     
  2. jank1434

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    I think that the Texans should have kept Mario. The fact that they kept Brooks Reed over Mario says that they beleive Reed has a higher ceiling. I just don't see it, but I'm not at the practices. I just question Morey's, I mean Rick Smith's ability to evaluate talent.

    DD :grin:

    (completely joking)
     
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  3. Ziggy

    Ziggy QUEEN ANON

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    He'd probably still be rooting for Drew Henson.
     
  4. RunninRaven

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    Yeah, basically. I have been reading another forum at texanstalk.com and there are a couple people on that website, one who has had the same injury as Schaub and one is a doctor that specializes in the Lis Franc (sp?) injury, who think the team is purposefully hiding the significance of Schaub's injury and that is is VERY unlikely that he recovers as fast as everyone seems to be indicating. And further than that, the type of injury he had very commonly has complications moving forward. As in, it is possible Schaub's career might be over. I know that is doom and gloom but the Texans have been very cryptic about injuries in the past and I could see this being the case again.

    I really, really, REALLY hope that I'm wrong.
     
  5. Spacemoth

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    Close enough. This smacks of all the utter senselessness present in a DD post. Repped.
     
  6. ima_drummer2k

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    EDIT: You actually got me with this. How is that possible? I need my morning coffee, I guess. That's what happens when you start at the bottom of the thread and scroll up....
     
  7. rezdawg

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    Im guessing that if the team was really hiding this, they would have drafted a QB like Cousins or Wilson. Schaub has also been on the radio multiple times saying that he will definitely be fully recovered for training camp. There are so many variations of Schaub's injury...the range in recovery varies greatly, even if its still under the same injury title.

    Just like if I pull a tooth from two different people...One might never feel any discomfort after the extraction and one might get dry socket, an infection, etc... So even though they are both tooth extractions, there is a wide range of outcomes. Same thing goes for Schaub's injury.
     
  8. DonnyMost

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    You'll drive yourself crazy reading that stuff.

    I respect the Doc's expertise, but the fact is that all injuries are different and we really don't know anything. It has the potential to be career threatening, yes, but if Matt's done, he's done... not much we can do except hope TJ can take over. Like rez said, the writing isn't exactly on the wall, though. So I'm not going to get worked up about it until we know something definitive.
     
  9. torque

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    I really think TJ Yates can lead this team to the Super Bowl. It would obviously suck if Schaub was unable to play, but TJ is good.
     
  10. DonkeyMagic

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    Like others have said, there are many variations to that kind of injury so it's hard to say. However, from what i've seen, 1 year is typically the longest time it takes to get back from it, and those are the more serious injuries.

    By the time training camp comes around it will be 9 months or so and 10 months by the start of the season. I wouldn't be surprised is Schaub may have some discomfort early on but based on how everything was handled after the injury i think he will be ok (i.e. there was a debate on whether or not surgery was needed, leading me to believe it wasn't that sever).

    If this were a WR or RB, i'd be much more worried....but it's a QB who is perhaps one the most un-athletic guy on the field every sunday.
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    Posey, Crick, and Ben Jones break out. They were good players in big conferences for several years.

    Brandon Brooks and Keshawn Martin bust. Brooks showed inconsistent drive in college and Martin I think will just be a return specialist due to his short arms and lack of polish in running routes. They were drafted for size (Brooks) and speed (Martin) more than on-field production.

    Mercilus is a question mark to me. He had 1 really great year and is moving from DE to OLB. I hope it wasn't a fluke.
     
  12. RunninRaven

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    I'm hoping you guys are right. When I was reading that stuff the guy was very convincing. He even made mention of the type of injury that Schaub had based on the reports we have seen about it, and he wasn't very positive about the recovery of the type that Schaub had. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but I haven't gotten the warm fuzzies from the Texans front office in the past when it comes to being forthright on injuries.
     
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  13. meh

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    I actually don't even mind if Schaub recovers mid-season. Say by around game 8. He is IMO the most irreplaceable player on the team, so reducing his chance of injury into the postseason isn't really all that bad.

    If the Texans can't even make the playoffs in this god awful division with Schaub on the shelf for a few weeks, then we'd have no shot at the SB anyway.
     
  14. conundrum

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    If Schaubby cant go this season or the team was worried he couldn't, I think we would have seen or would be seeing a veteran QB brought in.

    BUT, the Texans have been wrong about injuries in the past, so who knows...
     
  15. RunninRaven

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    I don't know. They brought in a couple veteran QBs last season but still started TJ Yates. That worked out about as well as anyone could have hoped. So maybe Kubiak feels good enough about TJ that he thinks he can man the ship for the first half of the season if need be.
     
  16. The Cat

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    The one guy on that site that's had the injury is 58 years old, not an athlete and without access to the Texans' medical staff and facilities. His attempt to draw a comparison is apples and oranges. And the doctor isn't a specialist with Lisfranc injuries - he's just a medical guy in general, as far as I know.

    The other factor, as rezdawg said, is that there are a TON of variations in Lisfranc fractures, and no one knows the specifics of Schaub's injury except for a select few within the Texans. That's why it's impossible to speculate. In theory, like most injuries, it's possible for it to be career threatening.

    It's also possible for it to be like Dwight Freeney, who in 2007 suffered the fracture on almost the exact date (November 14) Schaub did last year, had surgery, and played in 15 games the next fall with 10.5 sacks. Freeney has played in 61 of 64 possible games in the four seasons since, during which he has averaged over 10 sacks/year. He's still going quite strong, all at a position that demands more in terms of foot agility than quarterback. That, to me, is a lot more telling than the doom-and-gloom rantings of an out-of-shape 58-year-old and one lone doctor who doesn't have knowledge of any specifics regarding the fracture.

    You're right that the Texans aren't always forthcoming with injury information, but it's usually just playing coy with the media and not wanting to give in-depth specifics that could compromise game-planning. I have no reason to doubt their actual medical expertise. If they had concerns about Schaub's readiness this fall, Case Keenum would not be the only QB added to the roster. There were veteran QBs (Leinart, Kyle Orton, etc.) available for extremely cheap... rookie QBs like Cousins that fell to mid-fourth round... and the Texans passed on all of them. That pretty much says it all. Ignore the drama queens at Texanstalk.
     
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  17. juicystream

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    Break-Out: Jared Crick (I figure Mercilus would be too easy an answer)
    Flop: Ben Tate
     
  18. The Cat

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    Because the veteran QBs were brought in during December and had no time to learn the offense, whereas Yates had been in it since summer. Kubiak could think TJ is the next Peyton Manning, and he'd still bring in another veteran (or higher-profile rookie) in the offseason if he were legitimately worried that T.J. would be the only experienced quarterback on the roster come September 9. That's why Leinart was on the roster last year, even with Schaub (a more proven commodity than Yates, in this analogy) and Yates, who was a better prospect than Keenum.

    If you look in the initial Texanstalk thread, one of the drama queens predicted that the Texans would take a QB much earlier in the draft than anyone expected. At least his logic was correct - if there were a perceived problem, it would be acted on. As it turns out, the Texans didn't take one at all. There's a reason.
     
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  19. RunninRaven

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    Alright, Cat. You have made me feel better. I retract my bust prediction of Schaub and replace him with Caldwell.
     
  20. The Cat

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    Back on subject...

    As far as flops, one guy I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned much is Shaun Cody. I know he worked his ass off last year and outperformed all expectations, but he's still somewhat talent-limited and the Texans had the benefit of playing some awful QBs last year, allowing the linebackers to cheat a bit and help against the run. I hope Cody overachieves again, but I wouldn't be shocked by more of a transition to Earl Mitchell.

    For breakouts, I'll go with Caldwell and James Casey. I think Caldwell's very underappreciated because folks wanted a scapegoat for the Panthers/Colts losses, and Brisiel being out was one of the only changes from the Falcons/Bengals games. In reality, Antoine played pretty well, even considering a pair of high ankle sprains, and I think a healthy version that has full mobility is every bit as good as Brisiel. (There's a reason they were co-starters in 2010.) With Casey, everyone's heard it from me before, but I'm pumped to see him for a full year at FB. His blocking wasn't the liability most feared, and the flexibility he offers in the passing game (remember New Orleans) could be the X-factor in making a very good offense an elite one.
     

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