Who said Japan has 0 illegal immigrants? You do know a lot of south east asians and poorer asians move to japan and korea for work, right?
I didn't say Japan has 0 illegal immigrants - I said "virtually no" - I don't see you providing any statistics concerning the amount of illegal immigrants in Japan here. As of January 2023, the Ministry of Justice identified 70 491 undocumented migrants - in a country with a population of 124 million people. I would consider 70,000 'virtually none" but you can quibble with that/be pedantic if you like. https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article-abstract/117/8/553/7470750?redirectedFrom=fulltext
Yes. The U.S. does need more workers then Japan. It's a far larger country than Japan. You're confusing total numbers with ratios. Japan has almost no illegal immigrants. An estimated 70,000 in a country of 124 million. That would be equivalent to the United States having 180,000 or so illegal immigrants. Japan has a lower unemployment rate then the United States. What does the total number of businesses have to do with anything? Of course the United States has more businesses then Japan. We are a far larger country with a far larger population. Of course we have more businesses. They still, proportionally speaking, have far, far, far fewer illegal immigrants.
70,000 isn’t none. also Japan’s economy has been stagnant for decades and its declining and aging population is a serious problem.
Besides semantics this still ignores that Japan’s population is declining and has been causing problems for decades now. If anything they could use more immigration. In the US we have seen the same thing with many rural areas where population has been declining but it’s new immigration that has kept them afloat. The mayor of Springfield said that regarding the Haitian immigrants to that town.
You said I said none. I did not say none. I said virtually none. 70,000 in a country of 124 million could be said to be virtually none. Either way, you're simply choosing to be difficult.
let's see . . . 12 million illegal immigrants (estimated) of 330 million US residents (estimated) is 3.6% of the total population. 70,000 illegal immigrants (estimated) of 124 million Japanese residents (estimated) is 0.06% of the total population. if I've done my math correctly
Again the term is “relatively”. And it’s not like many other posters aren’t picky about grammar. Anyway leaving language questions aside this still goes to that Japan isn’t a model to be followed for immigration. That they have relatively little immigration hastens their decline.
The question of the demographic crisis in many OECD countries is different then the one being discussed here. The question being discussed here was the claim many are making that the United States will suffer an economic crisis if illegal immigration is curtailed. I then pointed out very many OECD countries have little-to-no illegal immigration and fine economies and a high standard of living and have enjoyed fine economies and fine standards of living without illegal immigrants for very many decades. Countries such as Australia, New Zealand, Iceland, Canada, South Korea, Japan etc etc are all considered some of the very best in the world to live in and their economies function adequately with little-to-no illegal immigration.
Japan and SK are declining economically as their population declines. The PRC is warning that they might suffer the same. Japan and SK have developed great technology that is helping them maintain productivity. They also have some of the worlds best healthcare systems, something we don’t have, to keep their population living longer but Japan isn’t the economic titan it was back in the 80’s. SK will likely follow that same path. Having been to NZ and Australia not to long ago I can tell you that they have significantly smaller populations than either Japan, SK or US, yet even many there recognize that to grow they need more immigration. Australia itself has been wrestling with issues of increased immigration, both legal and illegal, mostly from Asian countries. NZ is a special situation given how physically isolated they are immigration of all sorts is harder.
You’re speaking to something different. You’re not addressing the point. You’re talking about future demographic considerations. I’m talking about the fact the economies of Japan, SK, Australia, Iceland, NZ and others have been functioned perfectly fine for decades with little to no illegal immigration. Clearly, rich countries with robust economies have been doing just fine without illegal immigration. Whether or not they have a demographic crisis moving forward is besides the point..
Thus there economies weren't built from the beginning on that cheap labor. That is part of our economy. For the US, it would require a change. I never said it couldn't be done, and talked about some ways to possibly help with the change. But to pretend taking out that segment of the economy wouldn't be a big deal, doesn't make sense.
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When your country's pathway to legality ( not citizenship) is much easier for low wage workers then they don't have many ILLEGAL immigrants. If our low wage workers path to legality was easier we wouldn't have nearly as many illegals. Simple for people with working brain cells to understand. https://www.cato.org/publications/us-immigration-policy-lags-behind-globalizing-world
