White House to halt deportation of young illegal immigrants

OK so it lowered wages by 1%. Obviously there are differences across what is considered unskilled labor with those working hard labor or in service industry getting hit harder. Looks like we agree. Good for me, bad for unskilled workers.

 

From your article

So right now with the raids and million dollar fines, big business and industry shy away from illegal workers. With these previous illegals entering the legal job market who knows what % they will have but the effect is obvious. Higher unemployment and lower wages.

I only attack your source when it has nothing to do with the subject (2002 study on corn prices, 1962 study on unskilled workers) or is laughable (fibrous vegetable kcal/$ vs junkfood) When you recognize these issues and post another article with relevant data less than 20 years old, I talk about it.


Also you seem to believe if you post a wall of text with a link to a paper it makes the information relevant and your argument valid. It doesn't. All of the facts I posted can easily be verified.

Especially for someone with as much free time as you have. If my facts are flat out wrong or irrelevant to the argument, call me out. If my conclusions are faulty, say something. Claiming intellectual superiority based on lack of links for every single fact without even claiming they are possibly false is childish and makes your argument weaker.

 

Um, where did you get that it lowered wages by 1%?

The price of goods and services don't just reflect labor costs in pure terms. They could just be a reflection of being able to hire more workers at a set lower marginal rate (which doesn't decrease as quantity supplied increases), which in an industry with increasing returns to scale or even constant ones, would drive prices down. In any case, want to fight inflation? Tada!

 

I was amused at this personally, because...

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Anyways, turning away from that, Casey, sadly even if your facts were verifiable, they imply correlation at best, and are not phrased in terms of a natural experiment or study, and are severely lacking in context (for example, could the harsh labor laws, and "right-to-work" crap present in Texas be more responsible for the dire plight of the unskilled laborers? How do you control for these variables? Do these results have any relevancy on the national stage?). I don't ask for citation for s**ts and giggles, and I don't paste articles for fun. It is obvious me and you are not here to be research analysts, but let's not pretend that what you say stands or not because they are "verifiable". Your facts lack context, and I have no idea of the date they were sourced, where they were sourced from etc. I don't ask you to make your own study, but if you want to prove a fact, do it with citation (please.)

 

How is it obvious? you cited the Borjas study which is one study to try to prove your point. Borjas himself is known for being a bit of a stickler when it comes to this. He's like the Exxon man for global warming.

http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/Immigration.html

 

This is the very definition of "selective enforcement." It is saying that we will reduce the law enforcement expenditures on people who fit a certain criteria in order to focus those resources on people who are truly dangerous.

 

I'm not even mad.

 

Quoted for accuracy.

 

I agree to post the sources if you discontinue calling online articles "reams of literature". They aren't.

And when my posts average 1000 words and 5 links like yours, you might be able to compare posts per day.

Sadly, if you hadn't completely dismissed my post for a lack of links for easily verified information, and it using independent thought, we could be discussing the reasons. I am open to hearing why the correlation is fantasy.

And the previous research really won't apply very well to the current situation. The people we are talking about are already here, not fresh immigrants, and of a specific age bracket higher than average in unskilled labor. They are also solely illegals and not immigrants as a whole. This is just a raising their employment opportunities from illegal to legal.

 

Right, Casey. you tell yourself that.

I myself love posting here, so I'll keep on doing it. If you want to imply that it is a waste of time doing so, then so be it, but you might want to consider trimming your posts if so.

I like links because I don't think either you or me are fully qualified to talk about this, and because for all I know your facts could have come out of thin air. In either case, we are discussing the reasons, and if you are open to hearing why the correlation is fantasy, I just did last post. To summarize briefly one point of contention, it contains no context of shifting labour laws and markets that might have more to do than anything immigration does for unskilled workers.

If an inflow of immigrants won't affect the labour market, why won't an "inflow" of "legal" immigrants?

Also, this is why I like citation, for all I know you pulled the second fact out of thin air, and despite your assurance that it is verifiable, I don't really want to put in the time to verify it. I have kindly given you the source links for everything I post, I merely ask that you do the same.

 

and I have an issue with that

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