White House to halt deportation of young illegal immigrants

This is a politically driven move but even so still a good move and one that might revive the DREAM act.

Also the President was interrupted twice by a reporter from the Daily Caller.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_new...-by-heckling-at-immigration-announcement?lite

 

By that token, anything and everything is politically driven. This sentiment is akin to "it is what it is" - it means nothing. I applaud this move by the president. Too many of these kids, and they are kids in the end, didn't have any avenues to any type of status simply because their parents chose to come to the United States to pursue work. Even deferred adjudication is a step up from being illegal, though the only real substantive right deferred adjudication offers is work authorization and temporary reprieve from fear of deportation so long as the executive branch chooses to continue the status. This has the added benefit of encouraging people to come forward from the shadows and get registered in the system. The benefits of deferred adjudication are a far cry from the original DREAM Act as contemplated by Democrats and is more akin to Marco Rubio's plan because they do not get on the path to legal status, but hey, it's better than nothing.

To those complaining about the legislative process being subverted, shut it, the executive branch has power to enforce the law including prioritizing who they wish to deport this is what all executive agencies charged with enforcing do every single day. To have a system that required congressional approval over every action would be absurd and would effectively destroy the administrative state and in addition it would call into question constitutional separation of powers. This is simply a more forceful urging of the prior DHS memorandum on prosecutorial discretion issued in the previous year.

 

Posted this in the other thread...but figured it was worth a repost here:

1. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (as with all other executive agencies) is granted prosecutorial discretion to use their "best judgment" in deciding which cases to prioritze.

2. On a case-by-case basis, the ICE office can legally grant "deferred action" status by either not executing an individual's order of removal or by not putting the individual into removal proceedings.

3. Illegal immigrants that have been granted "deferred action" status (as well those who have received orders of removal awaiting deportation) can legally apply for a work permit while still in the country.

Kind of a sneaky way for the administration to implement a policy, but it appears to be legal and constitutional.

 

Yo, President Obama, Ima let you finish, but Mitt Romney has the best immigration policy of all time!

Sam Donaldson must be turning over in his grave.

 

Good. There are a great number of people in this country who are the children of citizens of the United States, who have siblings who are citizens of the United States, but who happened to be born in another country, and brought to the United States very young, often as an infant, who often speak no other language but English, have never been to their "place of birth," and who have been in great danger of deportation to a country they know next to nothing about.

This was long overdue.

 

I saw where someone wanted this to become law.
How does that look?

Would that mean . . . If someone comes in illegally at 15 [Now]
then manages to evade arrest for 5 years . .then gets a diploma . .
then they would be covered by this act?

If this was law . . this would be the ongoing process and policy?

Rocket River

 

No more arguments from you about process?

...although I'll admit I was surprised to find that there are legal channels by which illegal immigrants can be granted a work permit.

 

Children of citizens are citizens, regardless of where they were born.

 

I made the mistake of looking at this post, so I'll make the mistake of replying. Yes, those children exist. Lots and lots of them. How is that possible? Easy. Their parent(s) becomes a citizen of the United States legally after the infant was born in the other country. The parent(s) has other children here, in this country, who are citizens. Yet that child born in "fill in the blank" remains illegal. It is absurd. It is beyond absurd. And if you can't figure that out, I pity you.

 

The minor children of naturalized citizens are also citizens, regardless of where those children were born.

 

Show me the law.

 

Lastly, some minor children of naturalized U.S. citizens may mistakenly believe that they may not be U.S. citizens. However, when parents become naturalized citizens, their kids with green cards will also acquire American citizenship. This is true because children under the age of 18 cannot usually apply to become citizens through the naturalization process.

http://immigration.findlaw.com/citizenship/u-s-citizenship-through-parents-or-by-birth.html

 

As long as you're under 18 when at least one parent becomes a citizen, you automatically become a citizen as well. If you're over 18, you have to apply separately on your own, though.

 

Interesting. So some folks I do not know spent a hell of a lot of money on attorneys for nothing? I find that hard to believe, because the person I don't know that actually spent the money is a very smart guy. I think something is missing here, but thanks for an actual reply with a link and everything. It was refreshing. Now, if you would only stop posting nonsensical threads constantly in D&D, we might be able to have a conversation.

Thanks, Major. That's what threw basso and I off. While the child in question had all that happen, allegedly, she/he is over 18. There is the problem. I hope this new action removes that problem, which is more widespread than many believe. The link basso posted is good info, however. I think there are people here that think they are illegal, but are afraid to find out one way or another, thinking that bringing attention to themselves will get them a ticket across the border.

 

to paraphrase Sportin' Life, it take expert to naturalize someone who is already a citizen.

And to your last point:

Generally, ad hominem attacks are not conducive to constructive dialog.

Perhaps this threw you off. In my mind, minor children means "under 18" and i expect this is a fairly commonplace usage.

 

Don't worry... I still pity you.

 

Obama shoring up the Hispanic vote -- excellent political move.

 

I agree, while Republicans like Rubio propose a very similar policy as part of their election year platform, Obama just goes out and does it leaving them with nothing to stand on.

 

Yeah, Romney shifted way to the right on immigration in the primary. Obama pulling this move now, forces Mitt to stay in the bed that he made for himself. Romney had wanted to move more to the center for the general election, and this prevents that.

Smart politics.