yeah i mean race doesn't have any part in our society. and even if it did. so what. lets just be post-racial.
Well my position the whole time is race should not be a factor in admission and I got a wall of text about how much the SAT sucks and the implication was race was a good factor. Just check out the last few pages. I think race having a factor puts us down a very dangerous road.
I think the racism (and not just overt but subtle and unconscious too) that exists in society and institutions is a bigger issue than allowing race/ethnicty to be considered by admissions committee along with many other factors, but whatever.
no no no, these 1% of students at most are going to bring down the entire system. it must, cannot happen.
Racial admission worked fine for 100 years I am sure that this discrimination won't hurt anyone but the people who cannot get in.
Typical right wing spin tactics. Use an all-or-nothing argument to support your case to force people into "it's my way or the high way" situation. Do you understand the word "factor".
If only the previous discrimination only impacted the demographic representation 1%. Yeah, you convinced me, the discrimination that happened before integration is just the same as current policies that allowing being from an URM group to be factored into admissions along with a with a host of other factors among a pool of qualified candidates.
I have a challenge for you. Name me ONE thing that involves people where race is NOT a factor. I'm waiting for your answer.
Race is not supposed to matter but some studies have indicated that it does, at least that's what I learned in my Organizational Behavior course, plus I thought that was known anyway.
Hell to the No!!!! Are you kidding me? Geeze, at least try to challenge me. There was a study that came out not too long ago that tracked identical resumes submitted to the same jobs. Resumes that had ethnic sounding names received about 1/3 less call backs than the identical resume with "white" names. CaseyH? chirp chirp chirp.
I can name plenty but the one related to this discussion is ability to succeed at a university. This has nothing to do with what race you are.
Church attendance...next question. Oh wait...there are some baptist churches in this city that I'm pretty sure that my white ass wouldn't be welcome in. Nevermind.
Wrong. It's is a pretty well known fact that blacks in America have a lower high school graduation rate. Why is that? ...and don't you think that impacts university admissions? In an ideal world, you might be right. But lets step back into the real world. Do you wanna keep playing and give me another example where I'll prove you wrong? (Clue: Race plays a factor in everything where humans are involved.) Your OPINION is that it is wrong. Take note that a crap load of people that are much smarter than you or I disagree with your OPINION.
In all seriousness, if what you are saying is true, then it always will be a factor and no amount of well intentioned rules will fix that. Oh...and there are many, many reasons that African-Americans have a lower high school grad rate. It isn't all about the "man."
Essentially. That is why the 10% rule is flawed. No system is perfect. So you combine other methods to make your final selections that give each school some leeway to make the final determination. Maybe one school says they need more music students. If two kids apply to a school with identical grades but one expresses interest to join the music school, is it discrimination against the non-musical kid? Each school should have some leeway as to what they feel will round-out their student body. Other factors: State/Country of origin, languages spoken, athletics, gender, preferred major (ie Architecture, Music, etc), financial background, public service record, blah blah blah. Schools can use ALL these factors and many others to determine where they feel the student body needs a boost.
