I got married to one of my social interactions. So yes, without question my social interactions are more valuable than the degree. My degree simply brought me a little more money but my social interactions brought fulfillment in my life. Sorry for you if your degree is the only defining attribute of your life. Anyway, simply using statistics as the sole criteria for admissions is imperfect. The 10% rule allows schools to use statistical selection criteria and combine that with some discretionary criteria is the best of both worlds. Ever read the book "How to Lie with Statistics." Statistics alone can never be a definitive argument to support any position. SAT score and grades alone don't define a person's ability to succeed.
Great you should have gone to a church its much cheaper and the people are really nice. Basically I think we have met success with this debate and boiled it down tot he basic differences between us. In granting people admission you believe race should be able to be taken into account. I don't.
SAT score and grades might not define a person's ability to succeed, but you only got so many slots and you have to use some way to let people in.
This is an complete aside... But. I used to go to a private high school in good ol' Canada. Supposdly, we're more "progressive" or "race-friendly" then other first-world countries, or at least, that's what stereotyping the Canadian system seems to receive. It is no coincidence, that of the graduating class I was in, there was only one black kid...and four asian kids. Out of a class of 150. Granted, this was a "Catholic school". Granted, it is only one school. Granted, personal internet expiriences are overrated since I could say that I got shot by 50 white guys and leave it at that, and it would be about as credible as what I am relating to you now. Still, I'm hoping that people who think whites are being shackled by "the system" and somehow being reversed by the very own system they have built are both legally blind and deaf, becasue you'd have to be mighty sheltered to ignore the racial tensions and undertones that (sadly) still define North American culture.
Huh? I wonder how many ways is this a completely inappropriate thing to say in the context of this topic? Well, all I can say to you is SCOREBOARD. Schools do. But for sake of discussion, you beleive statistics should be the only factor considered in admissions? Regarding the lawsuit, no matter what you beleive ...the girl has exactly the same opportunities to attend UT when she was in 8th grade. Who's fault is it that she didn't make the 10% cut?
Please re-read my statement. Schools use a combination of SAT/grades plus some discretionary factors to decide. Using only one method or the other inevitably will cause problems. Combining both methods give you a chance to adjust.
They also use resumes and require written essays. As I've been saying all along, SAT/GPA are not the only two factors.
Nobody is saying that, if the score are great, your in. Some of them don't even have to be great, just top 10% at your high schoool. We are talking borderline/grey cases at best--which you seem to be incline would be fine to consider other factors like parent education, income, school attended/geography. Besides the applicant this who debate was started in fact was well below the median of the student body--not even really a "grey case" who might have been admitted if race was prohibited from consideration at all. (I can understand being raw about it if the person was like #1 on a wait list or something but didn't get in) And you have provided no persuasive reason or thoughtfull commentary for this position. It is like argueing religion with you.
What I am concerned about is the student who went to an upper middle class high school, took difficult courses and wound up with a 4.7 GPA but was in the top 15% being denied admission in favor of a student from a poor high school who took normal courses and graduated in the top 10% with a 3.6 GPA. Somehow this flies in the face of working hard will get you places. What we do not know is this...what percentage of students from poor high schools admitted on the basis of the top 10% rule complete their degree plan vs the % of freshmen who complete their degree plan in the main? If the statistics bear out that it is even close, then the top 10% rule seems to work. If it is disproportionate, then perhaps this has been well intentioned but ill advised.
Also, I'd like to point out that at least when I when to AHS, it wasn't "the rich white suburban school" of Fort Bend. I still don't think it is. That honor is supposed to go to Clements (where I think Asians might be the majority). AHS was a racially and economically diverse school. Taking a look around the area today. It still seems pretty average in terms of wealth relative to Houston. Now my figures are based on quick research, so if anyone else has better stuff, please correct it. Houston's median home prices are $150K These are the 5 primary areas that made up AHS Mission Bend - median home price $112K New Territory - median home price $214K Pecon Grove - median home price $182K Village of Oak Lake - median home price $165K Pheasant Creek - $115K So I don't think this girl should automatically be labeled a rich white girl because that is far from a guarantee at AHS.
Race and or Gender should be taken completely off the application...and have no factor.... That being said, she could always go to summer school at UT and get in that way. DD
LOL - it would certainly change the experience. But, I went to a school that had more girls than guys...so.......you just got to plan better. DD
i think houses are generally more plentiful and cheapers in the burbs. so those two factors would drive down the median price. however, the property tax is probably really really high in those areas to keep them poor folk out.
the university prepares students for life, where they will have to deal with things such as race relations. I can tell you just from your idioc holding on to your malcolm x quote, some diversity might have done you some good in school. you're the guy arguing about some stupid scene in a stupid movie about relations between black and japanese gangsters but yet you argue race has no importance in learning ------->LOL
If this is what you got from your exchange with the member you're responding to, I'd say you really don't understand what a university experience is supposed to be about and should consider a "do over." Something didn't take in your case, with all due respect, if you think a university education is simply about getting that piece of paper. Impeach Bush. Send Him Back to School.
Race plays a role in life. It does my life anyway ...don't know about yours (which might explain a lot). Race plays a role in the Iraq war. Race plays a role in Darfur. Race plays a role in virtually every major international political event that ever occured in the world. Race plays a role in interviewing for jobs. Race plays a role in getting stopped by the police. So I'm not sure why you think race shouldn't play a role in University admissions ...particularly when the goal of school is to prepare you for LIFE.
yeah now I am totally convinced, people should obviously get by on their race rather than their merits. Anyone have some stats about which races succeed in schools, so we can rank and then give preference to the best performers?
